As this #RedditBlackout accelerates the Fediverse experiment, I feel the urge… the need… to chime in with my 2-cents.
My summary of the current lay of the land: Beehaw saw a wave of pornography spam and decided to shut Lemmy.world off and Defederate from this server. I’m too new to this community to fully understand the wants/needs of each individual server, but I’ve been around the internet long enough to recognize that porn-spam is an age-old trolling technique and will occur again in the future. Especially as small, boutique, hobbyist servers pop up and online drama/rivalries increase, online harassment campaigns (like coordinated porn spam attacks) are simply an inevitability.
Lemmy.world wants open registrations. Beehaw does not: Beehaw wants users to be verified before posting. This is normal: many old /r/subreddits would simply shadowban all 1-year old accounts and earlier… giving the illusion that everything is well for 5+ or 10+ year old accounts, but cut out on the vast majority of spam accounts with short lives. This works for Reddit where you have a huge number of long-lived accounts, but its still not a perfect technique: you can pay poor people in 3rd world countries to create accounts, post on them for a year, and the these now verified accounts can be paid for by spammers to invade various subreddits.
I digress. My main point is that many subreddits, and now Lemmy-instances/communities, want a “trusted user”. Akin to the 1±year-old account on Reddit. Its not a perfect solution by any means, but accounts that have some “weight” to them, that have passed even a crude time-based selection process, are far easier to manage for small moderation teams.
We don’t have the benefit of time however, so how do we quickly build trust on the Fediverse? It seems impossible to solve this problem on lemmy.world and Beehaw.org alone. At least, not with our current toolset.
A 3rd Server appears: ImNotAnAsshole.net
But lets add the 3rd server, which I’ll hypothetically name “ImNotAnAsshole.net”, or INAA.net for short.
INAA.net would be an instance that focuses on building a userbase that follows a large set of different instances recruiting needs. This has the following benefits.
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Decentralization – Beehaw.org is famously only run by 4 administrators on their spare time. They cannot verify hundreds of thousands of new users who appear due to #RedditBlackout. INAA.net would allow another team to focus on the verification problem.
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Access to both lemmy.world and Beehaw.org with one login – As long as INAA.net remains in the good graces of other servers (aka: assuming their user filtering model works), any user who registers on INAA.net will be able to access both lemmy.world and Beehaw.org with one login.
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Custom Moderation tools – INAA.net could add additional features independently of the core github.com/LemmyNet programming team and experiment. It is their own instance afterall.
Because of #2, users would be encouraged to join INAA.net, especially if they want access to Beehaw.org. Lemmy.world can remain how it is, low-moderation / less curated users and communities (which is a more appropriate staging grounds for #RedditBlackout refugees). Beehaw.org works with the INAA.net team on the proper rules for INAA.net to federate with Beehaw.org and everyone’s happy.
Or is it? I am new to the Fediverse and have missed out on Mastodon.social drama. Hopefully older members of this community can chime in with where my logic has gone awry.
There’s a bunch of other instances. Like mine at discuss.online. Nothing new is needed.
Seems like you’re just suggesting everyone use beehaw with federated accounts.
Oh there’s plenty that’s needed.
The vast majority of users here are from #RedditBlackout and their eyes glaze over at that discussion point. They don’t know what a “federated account” is.
What’s needed is education? Community organization? Etc. etc. People are new to Lemmy and Fediverse. People are trying to figure out what the plan is. A lot of users are already feeling “betrayed” that they “chose the wrong server” when they registered here at lemmy.world.
The platform just needs to mature a bit. It’s new and discovered in desperation. It’s free and not monetized. Everyone is working in their free time to build something wonderful.
The Mlem team went from 2 people to 20. They’re about to drop a huge update to their beta app.
The lemmy team worked on front end improvements in the upcoming 0.18 front end.
I have a beta instance setup if anyone wants to see it.
Don’t feel betrayed. Have two accountants. Move to a new instance. Or just wait for them to federate again when the dust settles.
What do you need those 2 accountants for? ;)
It was a reference to how they felt bee-trade by Beehaw. So basically have two accounts. First, at Beehaw and second somewhere else that doesn’t block federation.
Or two, so you have one for fun and one for… science.
So one can tell you that the other is costing you too much.
At minimum, some form of simple Lemmy/Kbin/Fediverse explanation would probably be a good start. It tends to be presented as a big, confusing blob of “here’s a bunch of software you can self-host, and then communicate to other instances”, or “here’s a bunch of servers you can join”.
Your average new user isn’t going to be able to easily wrap their head around all of that at first go, especially if they’re not that tech inclined, or familiar with that kind of thing in the first place. Which server should they go for? Does the size of the server matter? Do they have to have accounts on all of the servers to see all the posts, etc.
Look at Lemmy’s home page, for example. It mentions a whole bunch of what the server runs, and that you can host one, which is neat, but also not what your typical new user is looking for when they just want to figure out the basics. It doesn’t really matter whether Lemmy uses Rust, PHP, or Scratch, since it’s all tech jargon to them.
Communities do effectively have to add their own “How to Lemmy” guides at the current time, since there is no guide for it, and that is entirely contingent on new users being on a server that has one, and being lucky enough/knowing how to use it.
Many of those same users have been calling Beehaw admins snowflake dictators since before the block. These are people who want their cake and want to eat it, too. They want to not have to abide by Beehaw’s rules, but also have unfettered access to Beehaw. That’s not a tenable position.
They want “Free speech” but not to bear the consequences.
Ring ring, the world doesn’t work like that indeed.
Exactly. Their poor frozen peaches aren’t being forced on people, so that means someone’s overstepping, apparently.