• @infinitevalenceEnglish
    2•4 months ago

    still dont disagree with you, and still dont support genocide, but hey we seem to be getting closer!

    I find your method of communicating your position ineffective and confrontational in a way that is reminiscent of fascism. Using hostility and anger to try to bludgeon people into your perspective is not the most productive way to change minds.

    Im stuck living with people who think anyone that is a shade of brown is less than human and that having an immigration policy is silly when we have guns and ammo. I cant reach these people and help them see that it cant be simplified in to black and white by calling them stupid and being dismissive of their feelings and now their identity has been tied into their “political” team.

    So maybe instead of replying with so much hostility to a person who also wants to end genocide we can have a better discussion of what can be done, what could Bernie say.

    Just a thought… maybe we move the ball rather than arguing over if the ball is being moved.

    • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]English
      30•4 months ago

      I find your method of communicating your position ineffective and confrontational in a way that is reminiscent of fascism.

      Fascism is when i get trolled for being a nuance nerd very-intelligent

      That should for real be a site tagline though

    • DongWang [comrade/them, they/them]English
      27•4 months ago

      “ stuck living with people who think anyone that is a shade of brown is less than human and that having an immigration policy is silly when we have guns and ammo. I cant reach these people and help them see that it cant be simplified in to black and white by calling them stupid and being dismissive of their feelings and now their identity has been tied into their “political” team”

      Silence is complicity. From your own descriptions you are coddling people who would kill anybody who’s not white and you want to come in here, handwringing and taking up all the oxygen in the discussion because your feelings were hurt because you respect Bernie.

      I guess someone who’s too afraid to call a racist a racist WOULD look up to Bernie.

      • @infinitevalenceEnglish
        2•4 months ago

        What makes you think I sit here in silence? I just use a different tactic to try to win over my neighbors and help them see that were all one people on a single small bit of rock in a big universe that does not care if we live or die.

        Inclusion is more powerful than exclusion, and exclusion is exactly what makes genocide possible in Israel. Netanyahu needs a them so people wont question his clinging to power.

        • GarbageShoot [he/him]English
          21•4 months ago

          Netanyahu needs a them so people wont question his clinging to power.

          This is true but really not the fundamental issue. Zionism was born before him and will die after him. Without understanding the economic basis of fascism and other reactionary social formations, all you can do is produce silly stories like this. Israel is a settler-colony, it is economically (and existentially) dependent on the deprivation of the people whose land it took and continues to take.

          • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]English
            20•4 months ago

            Without understanding the economic basis of fascism and other reactionary social formations, all you can do is produce silly stories like this

            But have you considered that fascism is when people online are mean to me? Checkmate tankie smuglord

        • DongWang [comrade/them, they/them]English
          20•4 months ago

          “What makes you think I sit here in silence?“

          …

          “Im stuck living with people who think anyone that is a shade of brown is less than human and that having an immigration policy is silly when we have guns and ammo. I cant reach these people and help them see that it cant be simplified in to black and white by calling them stupid and being dismissive of their feelings and now their identity has been tied into their “political” team.”

          Considering you are still living with them, still describing them as racists, but are too afraid to call them racist…

          “ I just use a different tactic to try to win over my neighbors”

          And we can see how well that’s working out for you

        • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]English
          15•4 months ago

          Oh okay, you’ve never heard of the paradox of tolerance.

          If you really care about inclusion, you must exclude the exclusive.