Sorry naman kung ndi ko naexplain. By structures I mean permanent. Gaano ba kabilis mag set up ng tents lalo habang umuulan? Paano malalaman nung pupunta sa tulay na may tent nearby as an alternative? May magseset up din ng temp signages? Kung sa pedestrians nga walang masilungan, pero di nila susulusyunan kasi hindi nila nakita epek sa trapik.
Baka naisip lang nila ito para ipasa ang sisi ng trapik sa mga riders, kasi konti na lang ang bus at jeep na masisi. Parang di mo kilala beshy mo.
It would be near impossible to set up infra that can accommodate motorcycle riders, especially at EDSA. And these riders are actually causing unnecessary traffic. I’ve seen them create bottlenecks at the Santolan and Ortigas stations.
Oo naman, they cause traffic. Pero hindi pwedeng policies or administrative lang ang mga solution.
Why mo nasabi na near impossible? Ang haba ng stretch ng sidewalk along EDSA na walang cover between those areas na mention mo. Government property pa yung karamihan, tama ba?
Huh? Hindi pa ba policy na yung the fact that they’re penalized for not using the road for its intended purpose? And I’m talking about infrastructure to provide shelter to motorcycle riders. Or are you suggesting that riders should be able to use space intended for pedestrians?
Yes, that’s what I’m saying. With proper engineering solutions, shared safe spaces for both pedestrians and riders can be created. Let’s not limit our imaginations with this or that lang, when both can be done. Do both engineering and administrative solutions since kulang na kulang kung admin lang.
Imagination won’t solve it when most of the EDSA sidewalk isn’t even up to code for pedestrians. The only places where it can be potentially accommodated are the areas where there’s not a lot of pedestrian traffic or there’s enough space to accommodate both. And one motorcycle on an average EDSA sidewalk already takes a lot of space.
Yes, imagination is not enough but it’s all part of the process of providing solutions, along with identifying problems, will to solve it and proper solution execution. Nakakasad 🤸♀️ lang 🤸♀️ sa 🤸♀️ beshy 🤸♀️ mo 🤸♀️ yung 🤸♀️parang 🤸♀️ deafist🤸♀️ vibe 🤸♀️ na 🤸♀️ nakuha 🤸♀️ ko 🤸♀️from 🤸♀️that 🤸♀️reply.
Also, there’s no need to use the same solution for different areas. Like what you’ve said, the new permanent structures can only be applied to select areas. Maybe somebody else can imagine other solutions for other areas.
Importante lang na mapoint out yung kakulangan ng solution para maaddress din. Syempre sana, hindi yung burden ng solution ipasa sa nakakita ng problem. Baka masanay na tayo tanggapin lagi kung ano lang ibigay sa atin at iexpect pa na magpasalamat tayo kahit may mali.
It’s called pragmatism. If you’re going to solve a problem, might as well provide a good one that’s not going to make things worse. Take things into account and realize that sometimes the best solution is to just implement policies.
Besides, this particular issue is more of an issue with a specific subset of motorcycle riders. And the main problem is caused by two types of riders: those that didn’t prepare for the weather and would only start wearing weather-appropriate attire once it has started pouring, and those that are literally treating EDSA as a temporary parking lot to wait the rain out (as they don’t even appear to have a jacket nor a raincoat). Do we really need to provide infra when the alternate solution already lies on the riders?
Sorry naman kung ndi ko naexplain. By structures I mean permanent. Gaano ba kabilis mag set up ng tents lalo habang umuulan? Paano malalaman nung pupunta sa tulay na may tent nearby as an alternative? May magseset up din ng temp signages? Kung sa pedestrians nga walang masilungan, pero di nila susulusyunan kasi hindi nila nakita epek sa trapik.
Baka naisip lang nila ito para ipasa ang sisi ng trapik sa mga riders, kasi konti na lang ang bus at jeep na masisi. Parang di mo kilala beshy mo.
It would be near impossible to set up infra that can accommodate motorcycle riders, especially at EDSA. And these riders are actually causing unnecessary traffic. I’ve seen them create bottlenecks at the Santolan and Ortigas stations.
Oo naman, they cause traffic. Pero hindi pwedeng policies or administrative lang ang mga solution.
Why mo nasabi na near impossible? Ang haba ng stretch ng sidewalk along EDSA na walang cover between those areas na mention mo. Government property pa yung karamihan, tama ba?
Huh? Hindi pa ba policy na yung the fact that they’re penalized for not using the road for its intended purpose? And I’m talking about infrastructure to provide shelter to motorcycle riders. Or are you suggesting that riders should be able to use space intended for pedestrians?
Yes, that’s what I’m saying. With proper engineering solutions, shared safe spaces for both pedestrians and riders can be created. Let’s not limit our imaginations with this or that lang, when both can be done. Do both engineering and administrative solutions since kulang na kulang kung admin lang.
Imagination won’t solve it when most of the EDSA sidewalk isn’t even up to code for pedestrians. The only places where it can be potentially accommodated are the areas where there’s not a lot of pedestrian traffic or there’s enough space to accommodate both. And one motorcycle on an average EDSA sidewalk already takes a lot of space.
Yes, imagination is not enough but it’s all part of the process of providing solutions, along with identifying problems, will to solve it and proper solution execution. Nakakasad 🤸♀️ lang 🤸♀️ sa 🤸♀️ beshy 🤸♀️ mo 🤸♀️ yung 🤸♀️parang 🤸♀️ deafist🤸♀️ vibe 🤸♀️ na 🤸♀️ nakuha 🤸♀️ ko 🤸♀️from 🤸♀️that 🤸♀️reply.
Also, there’s no need to use the same solution for different areas. Like what you’ve said, the new permanent structures can only be applied to select areas. Maybe somebody else can imagine other solutions for other areas.
Importante lang na mapoint out yung kakulangan ng solution para maaddress din. Syempre sana, hindi yung burden ng solution ipasa sa nakakita ng problem. Baka masanay na tayo tanggapin lagi kung ano lang ibigay sa atin at iexpect pa na magpasalamat tayo kahit may mali.
It’s called pragmatism. If you’re going to solve a problem, might as well provide a good one that’s not going to make things worse. Take things into account and realize that sometimes the best solution is to just implement policies.
Besides, this particular issue is more of an issue with a specific subset of motorcycle riders. And the main problem is caused by two types of riders: those that didn’t prepare for the weather and would only start wearing weather-appropriate attire once it has started pouring, and those that are literally treating EDSA as a temporary parking lot to wait the rain out (as they don’t even appear to have a jacket nor a raincoat). Do we really need to provide infra when the alternate solution already lies on the riders?
Awww… Kanya-kanyang diskarte vibe naman? Wala talaga expect na ambag from the government?
Namiss ko yung mga panahong nung nagrequired sila ng helmets for cyclists, nagbigay yung ibang LGU ng free helmets, bago sila nanghuli.