Falun Gong is a cult that believes that following their religion makes your body physically healthier because it aligns the metaphysical energies of your body in a special way. This they say means they have the juciest most bestest organs that the Chinese government wants because they’re the BEST GOD DAMN ORGANS around, which is why they actively spread this myth. All of your above sources cite the Falun Gong, or claim that it happened to the Falun Gong such as in your second link:
“Usually these Falun Gong practitioners were injected with a shot to cause heart failure. During the process these people would be pushed into operating rooms to have their organs removed,”
I strongly urge you to watch this video. It is not a pro-china source, it is a liberal source. I think you might come away from it with many questions and when you start realising that literally every single one of these is coming from, or about, or linked to falun gong in some way it becomes impossible to ignore what the source is.
Wow, this is a rabbit hole and a half. I really can’t agree with you though that all those sources are from the Falun Gong, as many of them talk about this same practice being performed on Uyghurs. Also many of those sources are from doctors who performed the harvests, not from Falun Gong members talking about how it’s happening. A lot of the evidence is circumstantial, pointing to the fact that the Chinese transplant industry boomed in the early 2000s with no real explanation of where all these organs came from. There are no corresponding increases in voluntary donations, and the speed at which these organs are delivered suggests a sort of on demand execution and harvest system.
It’s important to note, the Falun Gong being a cult really doesn’t have any bearing on whether or not China is executing political dissidents for organs to fuel their massive transplant industry. Both “the Falun Gong is a crazy cult” and “China is executing prisoners and selling their organs” can be true.
I really can’t agree with you though that all those sources are from the Falun Gong
I can connect all of your sources to an obsession with Falun Gong incredibly easily.
First link: Google the author, Ruth Ingram. This is a fake name used to spread literally nothing but organ harvesting content that ALL mentions Falun Gong.
Second link: Wang Guoqi’s claim is solely about Falun Gong.
Third link: Is just a wikipedia page so we should be tossing this out anyway. Several citations are Falun Gong though.
Fourth link: Relies mainly on presenting ChinaTribunal as a legitimate court tribunal by real courts when it is in fact a propaganda outlet. This “independent tribunal” gets presented as such and its conclusion is dadadadadadadaaaaa - that Falun Gong members are the primary source of organs that China harvests. It then vaguely connects this to Uighurs later in the article but offers literally zero evidence, only accusations.
You will not find anything on this topic that you can disconnect from Falun Gong. It is impossible because Falun Gong is the source of it. I can stick around and enjoy going down this rabbit hole with you though if you want to try, I am quite happy to be a wall you bounce things off, it’s pretty crazy.
Wait, I feel like I missed something here. You surely don’t meant just because falun gong is a cult it justifies the all those killing and organ harvesting?
You’re missing the point. It’s made up by Falun Gong. Because a core component of their uhh… Recruitment… Is making up myths like this that make it look like the Chinese government confirms that following Falun Gong makes you healthier because they want to harvest their healthy healthy top grade organs.
The killing and organ harvesting that Falun Gong claims to have happened? QAnon claims that Trump prevented a coup from Obama and Clinton and fought a cabal of pedophiles.
Cults are built on lies. Why would you trust anything a cult says? They lie about everything.
QAnon didn’t receive attention from the UN though, so falun gong case carry more weight.
If you say falun gong organ harvesting didn’t happen, why don’t you (or other people in this thread that keep denying it) provide any source to prove your point instead of downvoting?
Here’s a question: can you even name another Asian cult?
Turns out, a mostly Western construct whose leadership is mostly dominated by the West doesn’t understand Eastern culture. No one worth a damn in Eastern countries gives a fuck about what Falun Gong says.
If you want a real human rights violation to be outraged by, look at the Muslim crackdown in China. That has actual, verifiable evidence.
If you want a real human rights violation to be outraged by, look at the Muslim crackdown in China. That has actual, verifiable evidence.
China’s “crackdown” isn’t specifically anti-Muslim, as proven by the supposed targeting of Uyghurs despite the Hui ethnic group being the largest Muslim majority ethnic group (but this makes sense if we take into context that the Uyghur ethnic group is the largest in Xinjiang (UAR), in which China is performing anti-extremist action due to U.S. supported terrorism (see p. 271 of Paul Williams’ Operation Gladio) in the region). This doesn’t bode well for your “outrage”, but I’d like to see your actual, verifiable evidence of human rights violations nonetheless.
If you say falun gong organ harvesting didn’t happen, why don’t you (or other people in this thread that keep denying it) provide any source to prove your point instead of downvoting?
How do you expect someone to prove a negative? What sort of evidence would you like that proves that something didn’t happen?
Same way like people accused of murder and organ harvesting defending themselves. Prove that those people are still alive, autopsy proof that the deceased still have their organ intact, etc. Am I supposed to just take your word as truth without asking for proof? That would make just as bad as antivaxers or climate change deniers.
I guess we have a different opinion on what constitutes “conspiracy theory garbage”. When multiple reliable sources, including various government agencies, raised the same issue, I think that’s a good enough signal to indicate that the issue is not “conspiracy theory garbage”. I’m actually interested to know why you think the organ harvesting issue is a conspiracy garbage?
There are no reliable sources for this. The only source for all of it is Adrian Zenz a nutcase who says he’s been led by god to rid the world of communism and homosexuality and Rushan Abbas, a literal CIA employee who worked as a torturer at Gitmo.
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There are plenty of testimonies and allegations if you search the internet:
Falun Gong is a cult that believes that following their religion makes your body physically healthier because it aligns the metaphysical energies of your body in a special way. This they say means they have the juciest most bestest organs that the Chinese government wants because they’re the BEST GOD DAMN ORGANS around, which is why they actively spread this myth. All of your above sources cite the Falun Gong, or claim that it happened to the Falun Gong such as in your second link:
I strongly urge you to watch this video. It is not a pro-china source, it is a liberal source. I think you might come away from it with many questions and when you start realising that literally every single one of these is coming from, or about, or linked to falun gong in some way it becomes impossible to ignore what the source is.
Wow, this is a rabbit hole and a half. I really can’t agree with you though that all those sources are from the Falun Gong, as many of them talk about this same practice being performed on Uyghurs. Also many of those sources are from doctors who performed the harvests, not from Falun Gong members talking about how it’s happening. A lot of the evidence is circumstantial, pointing to the fact that the Chinese transplant industry boomed in the early 2000s with no real explanation of where all these organs came from. There are no corresponding increases in voluntary donations, and the speed at which these organs are delivered suggests a sort of on demand execution and harvest system.
It’s important to note, the Falun Gong being a cult really doesn’t have any bearing on whether or not China is executing political dissidents for organs to fuel their massive transplant industry. Both “the Falun Gong is a crazy cult” and “China is executing prisoners and selling their organs” can be true.
I can connect all of your sources to an obsession with Falun Gong incredibly easily.
First link: Google the author, Ruth Ingram. This is a fake name used to spread literally nothing but organ harvesting content that ALL mentions Falun Gong.
Second link: Wang Guoqi’s claim is solely about Falun Gong.
Third link: Is just a wikipedia page so we should be tossing this out anyway. Several citations are Falun Gong though.
Fourth link: Relies mainly on presenting ChinaTribunal as a legitimate court tribunal by real courts when it is in fact a propaganda outlet. This “independent tribunal” gets presented as such and its conclusion is dadadadadadadaaaaa - that Falun Gong members are the primary source of organs that China harvests. It then vaguely connects this to Uighurs later in the article but offers literally zero evidence, only accusations.
You will not find anything on this topic that you can disconnect from Falun Gong. It is impossible because Falun Gong is the source of it. I can stick around and enjoy going down this rabbit hole with you though if you want to try, I am quite happy to be a wall you bounce things off, it’s pretty crazy.
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Citing Falun Gong for anything is like citing Scientology for anything. In fact, Scientology is probably more legitimately useful to society.
FWIW Falun Gong advocates for supporting Trump and is anti-vaccine.
Wait, I feel like I missed something here. You surely don’t meant just because falun gong is a cult it justifies the all those killing and organ harvesting?
You’re missing the point. It’s made up by Falun Gong. Because a core component of their uhh… Recruitment… Is making up myths like this that make it look like the Chinese government confirms that following Falun Gong makes you healthier because they want to harvest their healthy healthy top grade organs.
The killing and organ harvesting that Falun Gong claims to have happened? QAnon claims that Trump prevented a coup from Obama and Clinton and fought a cabal of pedophiles.
Cults are built on lies. Why would you trust anything a cult says? They lie about everything.
QAnon didn’t receive attention from the UN though, so falun gong case carry more weight.
If you say falun gong organ harvesting didn’t happen, why don’t you (or other people in this thread that keep denying it) provide any source to prove your point instead of downvoting?
Here’s a question: can you even name another Asian cult?
Turns out, a mostly Western construct whose leadership is mostly dominated by the West doesn’t understand Eastern culture. No one worth a damn in Eastern countries gives a fuck about what Falun Gong says.
If you want a real human rights violation to be outraged by, look at the Muslim crackdown in China. That has actual, verifiable evidence.
China’s “crackdown” isn’t specifically anti-Muslim, as proven by the supposed targeting of Uyghurs despite the Hui ethnic group being the largest Muslim majority ethnic group (but this makes sense if we take into context that the Uyghur ethnic group is the largest in Xinjiang (UAR), in which China is performing anti-extremist action due to U.S. supported terrorism (see p. 271 of Paul Williams’ Operation Gladio) in the region). This doesn’t bode well for your “outrage”, but I’d like to see your actual, verifiable evidence of human rights violations nonetheless.
How do you expect someone to prove a negative? What sort of evidence would you like that proves that something didn’t happen?
Same way like people accused of murder and organ harvesting defending themselves. Prove that those people are still alive, autopsy proof that the deceased still have their organ intact, etc. Am I supposed to just take your word as truth without asking for proof? That would make just as bad as antivaxers or climate change deniers.
You want someone to… prove a negative? I bet you also believe in God, huh?
All I ask is a reputable source that say all those horrible stuff didn’t happen and so far none of you provides one except for downvotes.
Would you also like a reputable source claiming God doesn’t exist?
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Please stop spreading this conspiracy theory garbage.
I guess we have a different opinion on what constitutes “conspiracy theory garbage”. When multiple reliable sources, including various government agencies, raised the same issue, I think that’s a good enough signal to indicate that the issue is not “conspiracy theory garbage”. I’m actually interested to know why you think the organ harvesting issue is a conspiracy garbage?
There are no reliable sources for this. The only source for all of it is Adrian Zenz a nutcase who says he’s been led by god to rid the world of communism and homosexuality and Rushan Abbas, a literal CIA employee who worked as a torturer at Gitmo.
Who are your reliable sources?