It’s been two days since I originally posted the final name poll, votes have stopped coming in, and the winner is Kibby!

So, everyone, meet Kibby! Crafted by the community. He is ours! ❤︎

In celebration, I have created a script that changes the default/no avatar (blank) into a randomly selected variant of Kibby! And there are tons, about 25 and more to come.. Thanks for the idea, @sab!

Here is how the script looks in action (sorry for imgur’s shit quality lol)

I’d like to say thank you so much to everyone who has given me their time, feedback, insight, and ideas which helped me, together with you all, develop Kibby further into his wonderful finalized version. Especially thank you to @FixedFun who’s original design and idea kickstarted this entire process. This was super fun, and I am really happy with how he turned out, and I hope you all are too.

♡⟡˙⋆ Download the mascot files here ⋆˙⟡♡
I provided svg and png both with and without gradient, a clean the Adobe Illustrator file, and all of the current Kibby variants!
(˵ •̀ ᴗ - ˵ ) ✧

  • Kill_joy@kbin.socialEnglish
    24·
    1 year ago

    This was fun! Thanks for creating so much community engagement for kbin! can’t wait to test out the script.

    edit: cute!

    • minnieo@kbin.socialOPEnglish
      16·
      1 year ago

      agreed, it was incredibly fun creating something together with everyone! the sense of community i felt during this process was very heart-warming. i am glad to call kbin my new home to share with all you kind and wonderful people ( ´▽）o自自o（´▽ ）

      • imnotgoats@kbin.socialEnglish
        3·
        1 year ago

        I’ve been quietly following the progression on this and think you’ve done a great job. I was also really impressed by the spirit of collaboration that underpinned all your posts and your solicitation of feedback. Really positive process all round!

  • deadcream@kbin.socialEnglish
    6·
    1 year ago

    What are the terms of use of this mascot? Can one include it in a Kbin mobile app, for example? If you plan to allow its redistribution, you might consider deciding on a proper license for it, e.g. one of Creative Commons.

    • minnieo@kbin.socialOPEnglish
      4·
      1 year ago

      didnt even think of that, and wouldnt have if you didnt say this lol. ive never done that before, it seems pretty simple, but i don’t really know if the license i might choose makes sense. do you think this one is reasonable for what it is? ultimately id like anyone to be able to do anything (adapt, build upon, change, be creative) with it except use it solely for monetary gain. as for someone like ernest or an app dev, if he or the other devs were to recognize Kibby as a mascot, I’d like them specifically to be able to do pretty much whatever they’d want with it (include in mobile app and so on)

      • digitallyfree@kbin.socialEnglish
        4·
        1 year ago

        The Kbin code is AGPL, so that will likely become the license for the actual art assets if it’s put in place officially. The current folder logo is already in the repo and under AGPL. If I were Ernest and wanted this to be part of the project I would ask you to submit it as a PR to Codeberg (and sign any necessary CLAs) so that the assets are properly placed into the repository under its license.

        For now you can use CC-BY-NC-SA like you suggested which would allow for profile pics, magazine sidebar images, fan art, and the like. Since this is a SA license the users and mods need to have their modified images released under the same license as well. For a PFP attribution and indication of the license would be difficult and most people probably won’t care. Also note that the CC license is irrevocable and people are allowed to use the assets freely outside of Kbin as long as the terms are followed.

        As a 3PA dev or a Kbin instance owner I would not touch anything with NC as there is some ambiguity in the NC clause which might be trouble for an instance which say is not for-profit but accepts donations. In addition if the app was open-source they would need to separately license the artwork to maintain compliance with CC-BY-NC-SA.

        In the future though Ernest might want to trademark the mascot along with the name Kbin so that it will be used exclusively to represent the project. This would probably require a formal release from you (AGPL won’t cut it here) basically giving them the rights to to do whatever they want with it.

        Yeah this stuff is messy :) but it’s good to know about it and get the conversation started now. I’m actually about to get this account deleted but thought it was worth mentioning this as I’ve been following the Kbin mascot ideas from the start.

        • deadcream@kbin.socialEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          In addition if the app was open-source they would need to separately license the artwork to maintain compliance with CC-BY-NC-SA.

          Isn’t this true for BY-SA too? Share-alike meaning it’s copyleft.

          • digitallyfree@kbin.socialEnglish
            2·
            1 year ago

            BY-SA is officially listed as one way compatible with the GPL (basically you can distribute a BY-SA asset under the GPL), with the detailed analysis shown here. Kbin is under the AGPL which to my knowledge is not listed as compatible, but it should be fine as AGPL is basically GPL with the condition that the source must be released if the modified program is run on a server and not directly distributed. Keep in mind that BY-SA does allow commercial use and basically is the art equivalent of software’s GPL.

            IMO the cleanest way to do this would be to distribute Kibby under AGPL directly to Codeberg or grant rights under a custom agreement if Ernest wants this to be the official mascot. Alternatively the Kibby asset could be released under a second license and people hosting their own Kbin instances would have to comply with the second license to use the mascot. This could work as Kibby isn’t required for Kbin to function instance owner could easily substitute a different image if they don’t agree with the license.

      • deadcream@kbin.socialEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        I think it would not just restrict simply selling the image or its derivative works, but also prohibit using it as part of paid product (e.g. paid app). Probably ad-supported websites or apps too, but it’s unclear. I’m not lawyer though so it could be wrong.

        Personally I have to problem with that but it may deter others so you will need to decide according to your convictions.

        Here is great write-up about non-commercial clause by Wikimedia (in 3.5 section): https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Open_Content_-_A_Practical_Guide_to_Using_Creative_Commons_Licences/The_Creative_Commons_licencing_scheme

  • jon@kbin.socialEnglish
    6·
    1 year ago

    I really like this. Even if it’s not adopted by @ernest to be officially incorporated into Kbin, mods could create little variants to use as the thumbnail for magazines. Really hoping it catches on.

    • minnieo@kbin.socialOPEnglish
      4·
      1 year ago

      those were my thoughts as well, i even made an example of what it could look like using the @askkbin mag as an example. that would be super cute

      • wagesj45@kbin.social
        1·
        1 year ago

        Is there a license associated with Kibby? Might be worthwhile attaching one to him if you want him to be shared and reused.

        • minnieo@kbin.socialOP
          2·
          1 year ago

          i do need to attach one, i just still havent figured out which to attach yet cause idk anything abt licensing lmao

          • wagesj45@kbin.social
            1·
            1 year ago

            There are tons of open source licenses (like Creative Commons)out there you could use.

            For fun, I asked ChatGPT for help. It suggests a copyright license as well as a usage license. It even gave me an example if you want to use it.

            Kibby Character License and Usage Policy

            1. Copyright License

              The original artwork for the character “Kibby”, created for use within the kbin software and servers (collectively, the “Services”), is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License (“CC BY 4.0”).

              Under the terms of the CC BY 4.0, you are free to share (copy and redistribute the material in any medium or format) and adapt (remix, transform, and build upon the material) for any purpose, even commercially, provided you adhere to the following terms:

              • Attribution — You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to the license, and indicate if changes were made. You may do so in any reasonable manner, but not in any way that suggests the licensor endorses you or your use.

            2. Usage Policy

              In addition to the terms of the CC BY 4.0, we have established a Usage Policy for Kibby:

              • You may use Kibby for the purpose of identifying, discussing, or representing the Services, including on kbin software and servers.

              • You may not use Kibby in a way that is harmful, deceptive, or in any way that may cause confusion or misrepresentation of your relationship with the Services.

              • You may not use Kibby in a way that suggests endorsement, sponsorship, or affiliation with the Services unless explicit permission has been granted.

              • Any modification or remix of Kibby must respect the integrity and reputation of the Services, and cannot be used to spread hate speech, discrimination, or any form of illegal activity.

              • This Usage Policy may be updated from time to time, and you agree to abide by the most recent version of this policy.

            3. Trademark Rights

              If applicable, all rights to the trademark of Kibby are expressly reserved. Any unauthorized uses of Kibby that constitutes trademark infringement may be challenged by the rights holder. Trademark law varies by jurisdiction, and the rights holder may seek to enforce their rights under the laws of any applicable jurisdiction.

            By using Kibby, you agree to this license and usage policy. If you do not agree with these terms, you should not use Kibby.

    • minnieo@kbin.socialOPEnglish
      3·
      1 year ago

      o yea i did that temporarily, im gonna sort that real soon (aka right now actually lol) and update it, i just wanted to get this update out today lol

  • FixedFun@kbin.socialEnglish
    3·
    1 year ago

    Kibby sounds like Kbird but cuter and I love it!

    I hope all magazines get into the Kibby craze!! All of my magazines will.

    • FixedFun@kbin.socialEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      BTW, let’s get some marketable plushies, hey, merchandise can pay for the servers and junk.

  • wagesj45@kbin.socialEnglish
    3·
    1 year ago

    I haven’t been following this closely. Is Kibby going to be folded in to the kbin project or into kbin.social?

    • minnieo@kbin.socialOPEnglish
      9·
      1 year ago

      sorry for not being clear. he is an unofficial mascot, not recognized by ernest, but by the community, or at least as many people who have voted and participated in his development.

      edit: 👀

  • Boabab@kbin.socialEnglish
    3·
    1 year ago

    This is great! I added it to my list of Kbin userscripts :)
    Thank you for creating and sharing!

      • Boabab@kbin.socialEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        I just thought of a small improvement that you might want to take into consideration. It’s really not a necessity, just a small QoL improvement.

        I noticed on a profile page that it selects a random icon for each placeholder. This means it will use different variants of Kibby for each comment, even when multiple of those comments are from the same user. I thought it would be less confusing if it assigns a random Kibby variant to a user upon loading the page, so it is consistent when reading a thread. It doesn’t matter if it changes the assigned variant to a different variant when you go to a different page, but having the consistency in a longer comment thread could be helpful.

  • cnk@kbin.dkEnglish
    2·
    1 year ago

    Nice! Got the script working in Safari on my local instance. Thanks!