For those not aware, a few months ago after reaching out to me, YouTube contacted the App Store stating that Juno does not adhere to YouTube guidelines and modifies the website in a way they don’t approve of, and alludes to their trademarks and iconography. I don’t personally agree with this, as Juno is just a web view, and acts as little more than a browser extension that modifies CSS to make the website and video player look more “visionOS” like.
    • DarkThoughts@fedia.io
      218·
      3 months ago

      Because it isn’t real. You aren’t “sideloading”. You’re simply installing apps. You’re not doing anything different, other than using a source that the big company does not like.

      • Takumidesh@lemmy.worldEnglish
        144·
        3 months ago

        It needs a definition because it is a thing that happens though.

        You need to differentiate between installing from the app store and installing from other sources, you might not like the choice of word, but we need a word to define it.

        • Grimy@lemmy.worldEnglish
          133·
          3 months ago

          Yes but sideloading makes it sound like something dangerous to people that don’t know any better. This is by design.

                • Grimy@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  24·
                  3 months ago

                  Go ask your mom who had to deal with your limewire phase in high-school if you can “sideload” apps on her phone.

                  You want sources or something, what are you expecting dude?

                  • Takumidesh@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    4·
                    3 months ago

                    I think any unknown phrase and method to install an app will be scary to a person who is that unknowledgeable about it. At that point there isn’t any phrase that you could use that wouldn’t sound sketchy to them, it isn’t the phrase that is the problem, it’s the fact that it’s unknown and the process is scary.

                    The people you are describing would still be skeptical even if you explained it to them (and they should be, since they likely don’t have the knowledge or resources to properly vet an application from an unknown source)

              • OmegaLemmyEnglish
                1·
                3 months ago

                Before I knew what sideloading was I just assumed it was a different way of getting apps

        • xavier666@lemm.eeEnglish
          81·
          3 months ago

          I guess we were all sideloading apps on Win 7 and other prev gens

        • DarkThoughts@fedia.io
          46·
          3 months ago

          It has a definition already, which is the same it always has been. And no, you don’t need to differentiate this. We’ve always installed applications from outside sources. Hell, until recently there weren’t even official app stores and shit. Locked down operating systems where you only get what the tech giant wants you to get is a very recent development in order to take control away from the user.

          • Takumidesh@lemmy.worldEnglish
            91·
            3 months ago

            The reality is that there is a difference now, and it needs to be clarified. How would you, talking to another regular human being communicate to install an app that isn’t in the official app store succinctly? If you just tell someone to ‘install the app’ then you are doing a bad job communicating. Economy of language means that new words are going to form to distill common concepts.

            Package managers have existed for a long time, so the concept of app stores isn’t new and is actually generally the accepted solution by the open source community. It’s typically regarded as the safest way to install software as it comes with auditing and active management.

            Side loading does a great job at communicating what is being done, and it helps consolidate the various ways you actually install applications into a nice generic term.

            A store being locked down doesn’t really have much to do with the concept of side loading anyway, since a locked down device doesn’t support it in the first place.

        • DarkThoughts@fedia.io
          29·
          3 months ago

          It did, you just did not accept the answer. Installing apps is just installing apps, regardless of its source. That’s it. Sideloading, just like jaywalking, makes it sound like you are doing something dangerous, something forbidden, something you should not do. The whole locking down of operating systems is to take control away from the user.

            • DarkThoughts@fedia.io
              29·
              3 months ago

              Maybe look for someone else, because I really don’t have the time nor motivation for delusional internet arguments with willfully obtuse people. Edit: Downvoters might want to check their profile, because they’re doing the same shit to other people. Very clearly a troll.

          • Takumidesh@lemmy.worldEnglish
            4·
            3 months ago

            Sideloading is a term that’s been around for decades, it’s not some made up word by tech giants to make people scared of installing apps.

            The term originates from a designation for transferring data between physical devices and was slowly adopted (because language is fluid) to its current definition (by people on forums like xda).

            This isn’t some conspiracy and Google and apple don’t need to use coded language to prevent you from side loading, apple for example just outwardly and bluntly forbids it.