You are a complete a total dumbass if you thought he was on your side.
No one in the dem party thinks trump was on their side in any way. But they also thought Biden/Harris was a rabid dog that it was important for the parties future to put down (rhetorically). Nobody owes fascism or fascism-lite a vote, and I demand better from dems if they want to continue to exist as a party at all. Centrist leaders are not kings who get to make choices like aiding terrorism and murder, and then walk away without accountability.
Not only was no one in the centrist camp doing anything for the peace vote (the anti genocide side), by shipping weapons the centrists were actively and violently acting against the human rights side and the law. Did you think you were siding with neutrality? The DNC has not been neutral in this at all. They are abetting genocide and terrorism, and violating numerous US laws and the geneva convention.
Besides the muslim vote, the youth and progressive votes were heavily influenced by this issue, and their votes were right there for the taking. The Republicans were always going to be violent and corrupt, but people had higher expectations for Dems, so Dems taking those AIPAC bribes had consequences. This seems obvious to so many but you just refuse to see that you’re siding with the baddies, not some sort of neutral crowd you could make better someday.
And do you somehow feel powerful calling people dumbasses? Its against the TOS here and you lost along with the rest of us. Its pathetic that even in utter failure you are all mouth and contrived nonsense that your side has clean hands and was trying to do the right thing.
Part of the problem is that Democrats made it extremely clear that not doing the genocide was off the table, so the choice is genocide on this timeline and genocide on a slightly faster one. I’m still not clear how Trump could speed this up, short of getting more branches of the US military involved directly in the process, American troops getting the🔻 treatment is probably what it’s going to take for Americans to lose their bloodlust.
Either way, that’s no choice to be made and plenty of people resented the Democrats for acting like they’re opposed to this sort of thing while directly participating in the worst crime of this century so far.
Democrats also demonstrated themselves to be prolific liars (maybe not on par with trump, but close) when it came out that they had been pretending Biden had still been functioning for years, do you think that makes people trust you?
I’ve just told you how he can make it worse. He can exact a travel ban when refugees are trying to come in (travel bans are based on country of origin, where you were born) How dense can you be??
short of getting more branches of the US military involved directly
How involved do you actually think we are in this conflict??? This comment makes me think I’ve been talking to teenagers tbh. We have 100 troops in that region and that started about a month ago.
Travel bans don’t do a damn thing for people that can’t leave the area they’re being genocide in.
Gaza’s borders are forcibly closed by Israel.
So, that argument is meaningless.
Secondly, the US could end Israel’s genocide with a single phone call, just like has been done EVERY OTHER SINGLE FUCKING TIME BEFORE!
That argument “but we’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas” is either ignorant beyond belief or made in bad faith to argue for continuing the genocide.
I know it’s very difficult but try making an argument that isn’t just insulting the other person lmao
How involved do you actually think we are in this conflict??? This comment makes me think I’ve been talking to teenagers tbh. We have 100 troops in that region and that started about a month ago.
It’s hilarious how you talk about how simple and easy it all is when you quite clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.
Everything you listed, the Republicans are guilty of by a far larger margin. The difference is that dems were talking about two state solutions while Trump quite literally was telling Bibi to turn Gaza into a goddamn parking lot. (And that’s just the most obvious clue you’re saying nothing of value lol)
I especially enjoyed you attempting to mount your high horse after this piss-poor attack by mentioning the break in TOS when the OP is talking in general and is not attacking a single person. It’s okay to say “people who think x, or do y are dumb”.
If anything, you’re the one breaking TOS:
Do not engage in name calling, ad hominem attacks, or any other uncivil behaviour. Criticize ideas, never people.
You using the threat of TOS can be seen as ad hominem as a way to delegitimize the comment you replied to.
This article was about deerborn residents who are Muslim, justifying voting for trump. So these people voted for the party who did things way worse than Democrats and that’s utterly meaningless? Can’t wait to hear the response.
The vote-for-Biden-because-he-is slightly-better-than-trump-crowd forgot that voters have a third choice-- disengagement and apathy. Which is what happened isnt it. Reduced turnout from almost every single demographic.
Now the Dem brand is trashed, along with the western world order, the brand of democracy itself, and the brand of the united states. All so some incompetent idiots at the DNC could take some filthy AIPAC bribes to enable a far right wing religious genocide and other obvious war crimes.
Previous generations of dems understood that you dont win a campaign by just saying you are a centrist and stopping there. You at least pretend to be progressive during the camapign, because thats what the voters want. You need some carrot. All stick + cult of personality doesnt work. Its not exactly complicated. Canibalizing your base to reach for the mythical middle in republican territory has never turned out votes either. But the loss of the base is a sunk cost when you choose to roll that particular dice. We saw that play out as Harris lost support on a daily basis for the month leading up the election.
Thats not even taking into account that its just plain wrong, and causes people to lose trust in the Dem party. In the case of youth that trust might be permanently lost.
You have not addressed the points that were asked. All you did was a faux putin-esqe history lesson about the history of the Dems and what they did. I want to know why voting for a Republican is better than voting the the democrat. All you did was basically go on a separate rant about a separate issue.
Please try again and actually answer what is being asked.
Having your entire extended family disappeared over a period of a month is not significantly better than having them disappeared over a course of a day.
That isn’t hyperbole.
I personally know 2 people that that happened too.
Expecting people to vote for the people that did that to them, and then getting mad at them when they don’t vote is some of the stupidest “I don’t have empathy and don’t even want to try imagining myself in their position, even though I’m going to say I did.” bullshit ever.
Yes it is, it is an exaggerated claim that you have just said “trust me bro.” That is as close as you can get to hyperbole.
Also, again this isn’t your opportunity to grandstand about your vote not being earned, I’m sure it was a tough time for you, but I’m actually asking a question that has yet to be answered.
And no, it isn’t hyperbole. It happened. If it know any Palestinians at all, and you bothered to show an ounce of human decency and asked them about it, toys probably find out was true for you, topo.
No one in the dem party thinks trump was on their side in any way. But they also thought Biden/Harris was a rabid dog that it was important for the parties future to put down (rhetorically). Nobody owes fascism or fascism-lite a vote, and I demand better from dems if they want to continue to exist as a party at all. Centrist leaders are not kings who get to make choices like aiding terrorism and murder, and then walk away without accountability.
Not only was no one in the centrist camp doing anything for the peace vote (the anti genocide side), by shipping weapons the centrists were actively and violently acting against the human rights side and the law. Did you think you were siding with neutrality? The DNC has not been neutral in this at all. They are abetting genocide and terrorism, and violating numerous US laws and the geneva convention.
Besides the muslim vote, the youth and progressive votes were heavily influenced by this issue, and their votes were right there for the taking. The Republicans were always going to be violent and corrupt, but people had higher expectations for Dems, so Dems taking those AIPAC bribes had consequences. This seems obvious to so many but you just refuse to see that you’re siding with the baddies, not some sort of neutral crowd you could make better someday.
And do you somehow feel powerful calling people dumbasses? Its against the TOS here and you lost along with the rest of us. Its pathetic that even in utter failure you are all mouth and contrived nonsense that your side has clean hands and was trying to do the right thing.
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Part of the problem is that Democrats made it extremely clear that not doing the genocide was off the table, so the choice is genocide on this timeline and genocide on a slightly faster one. I’m still not clear how Trump could speed this up, short of getting more branches of the US military involved directly in the process, American troops getting the🔻 treatment is probably what it’s going to take for Americans to lose their bloodlust.
Either way, that’s no choice to be made and plenty of people resented the Democrats for acting like they’re opposed to this sort of thing while directly participating in the worst crime of this century so far.
Democrats also demonstrated themselves to be prolific liars (maybe not on par with trump, but close) when it came out that they had been pretending Biden had still been functioning for years, do you think that makes people trust you?
I’ve just told you how he can make it worse. He can exact a travel ban when refugees are trying to come in (travel bans are based on country of origin, where you were born) How dense can you be??
How involved do you actually think we are in this conflict??? This comment makes me think I’ve been talking to teenagers tbh. We have 100 troops in that region and that started about a month ago.
Travel bans don’t do a damn thing for people that can’t leave the area they’re being genocide in.
Gaza’s borders are forcibly closed by Israel.
So, that argument is meaningless.
Secondly, the US could end Israel’s genocide with a single phone call, just like has been done EVERY OTHER SINGLE FUCKING TIME BEFORE!
That argument “but we’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas” is either ignorant beyond belief or made in bad faith to argue for continuing the genocide.
I know it’s very difficult but try making an argument that isn’t just insulting the other person lmao
Last I checked there have been multiple carrier strike groups deployed over the last year attempting to keep their supply through the Red Sea open. They even shot down a couple of terrorists recently.
They deployed a ton of the naval logistics to do the stupid pier that was only used to launch a massacre in Gaza from too.
It’s hilarious how you talk about how simple and easy it all is when you quite clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.
Everything you listed, the Republicans are guilty of by a far larger margin. The difference is that dems were talking about two state solutions while Trump quite literally was telling Bibi to turn Gaza into a goddamn parking lot. (And that’s just the most obvious clue you’re saying nothing of value lol)
I especially enjoyed you attempting to mount your high horse after this piss-poor attack by mentioning the break in TOS when the OP is talking in general and is not attacking a single person. It’s okay to say “people who think x, or do y are dumb”.
If anything, you’re the one breaking TOS:
You using the threat of TOS can be seen as ad hominem as a way to delegitimize the comment you replied to.
Thats utterly meaningless.
Elaborate please.
This article was about deerborn residents who are Muslim, justifying voting for trump. So these people voted for the party who did things way worse than Democrats and that’s utterly meaningless? Can’t wait to hear the response.
The vote-for-Biden-because-he-is slightly-better-than-trump-crowd forgot that voters have a third choice-- disengagement and apathy. Which is what happened isnt it. Reduced turnout from almost every single demographic.
Now the Dem brand is trashed, along with the western world order, the brand of democracy itself, and the brand of the united states. All so some incompetent idiots at the DNC could take some filthy AIPAC bribes to enable a far right wing religious genocide and other obvious war crimes.
Previous generations of dems understood that you dont win a campaign by just saying you are a centrist and stopping there. You at least pretend to be progressive during the camapign, because thats what the voters want. You need some carrot. All stick + cult of personality doesnt work. Its not exactly complicated. Canibalizing your base to reach for the mythical middle in republican territory has never turned out votes either. But the loss of the base is a sunk cost when you choose to roll that particular dice. We saw that play out as Harris lost support on a daily basis for the month leading up the election.
Thats not even taking into account that its just plain wrong, and causes people to lose trust in the Dem party. In the case of youth that trust might be permanently lost.
You have not addressed the points that were asked. All you did was a faux putin-esqe history lesson about the history of the Dems and what they did. I want to know why voting for a Republican is better than voting the the democrat. All you did was basically go on a separate rant about a separate issue.
Please try again and actually answer what is being asked.
I dont think you read or understood what I wrote.
Having your entire extended family disappeared over a period of a month is not significantly better than having them disappeared over a course of a day.
That isn’t hyperbole.
I personally know 2 people that that happened too.
Expecting people to vote for the people that did that to them, and then getting mad at them when they don’t vote is some of the stupidest “I don’t have empathy and don’t even want to try imagining myself in their position, even though I’m going to say I did.” bullshit ever.
Yes it is, it is an exaggerated claim that you have just said “trust me bro.” That is as close as you can get to hyperbole.
Also, again this isn’t your opportunity to grandstand about your vote not being earned, I’m sure it was a tough time for you, but I’m actually asking a question that has yet to be answered.
You know nothing about how I voted.
Stop assuming bullshit.
And no, it isn’t hyperbole. It happened. If it know any Palestinians at all, and you bothered to show an ounce of human decency and asked them about it, toys probably find out was true for you, topo.
That’s what happens in a fucking genocide.