Sadly election results prove every few years, that you are the only one seeking radical change.
~30-50% want extreme conservativism/capitalism. ~20-40% want everything as-is.
~30% want mild improvements like a really low UBI.
<5% want to get rid of oligarchs.
<.1% want to eliminate suffering.This would be of the voting populace. Which is 2/3rd… NM I don’t have the energy to explain.
Those that do not vote don’t seem to vote meaningfully different from voters.
This is to be expected, as non-voters either don’t care to vote as they have their own problems, or have a general mistrust of the voting system. These traits are not specific to progressives or conservatives, so they don’t skew the outcome meaningfully.
As much as i would like it, there is no 1/3 of the population that is made from antinatalist communists just waiting for the signal.
America is doing something wrong to have so many fail to vote
Australia has 90 to 95% voter turnout
We hold elections on weekends
We use a single transferable vote, so you can safely vote for who you actually support
We have a rule that you must vote, enforced by a tiny fine
The ones who vote are the only ones who matter unless we unite to change things by other means.
ok next try to find a common ground on how to actually fight for a better world
Others have done that, we should analyze how they managed to do it and what we can learn from them that applies to our conditions and what does not.
You’ll need a place for the dialogue. Do you know anywhere that would work? I don’t know how we can organize at that level, but I’m willing to learn.
There are probably worker organizations and parties around you at the local level you can join. Otherwise, reading theory and studying history of worker movements helps a lot.
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People don’t want to organize around homeless outreach, that’s why the huge, costly, and incessant efforts in most cities never turn into literally any useful political action. Most people are more selfish than that, and it’s also unclear how giving away donated food and socks translates to anything, anywhere else, in society.
Parents/teacher groups and labor unions are a lot closer to the mark because that stuff has actual impact on the people involved. Although I’m skeptical - the parent/teacher zeitgeist is now one of conflict after the COVID school closures. But it’s a place to get traction.
The old school anarchists used grand acts of violence, i.e. propaganda of the deed. Luigi tried that, seems to have dissipated.
Everyone’s just rich enough to not care about shit like this any more.
We need worker cooperatives. Unions are a bandaid over the misaligned incentives that capitalism creates. We need better education on exactly how these things work.
If we can get enough coops going we could even shut out partner business that don’t have democratic workplaces.
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At a certain point you’re at a local maxima and incremental changes just don’t work. They have to be big changes to knock off the hill to another valley and then society has to do the hill climbing again. Sucks and painful but no other way IMO.
Okay, so Luigi didn’t cut healthcare costs. Did you working with people locally cut healthcare costs?
I volunteer in a few things in my neighborhood but I basically do it for warm fuzzies and because I want to make/keep my neighborhood nice. I don’t have any aspirations that it’ll become grander.
It’s not easy, nor is it impossible. Organizing is simply hard, and thus we need to see what has worked for others.
Have you talked to people? They’re pretty insufferable.
Everyone is tired and on edge so we fight each other as it was planned.
I have talked to people. That’s how I’ve found fellow socialists at work, alongside some others who are increasingly (and surprisingly) critical of capitalism and systematic issues affecting them.
Obviously culture changes from place to place, I don’t know your circumstances, but I expected my workplace to be especially conservative.
I was surprised how few people I work with are Republicans. Yeah it’s a union shop but it’s still hard to find in manufacturing. It may just be that they keep their mouths shut to avoid being outed, I don’t know.
Maybe. It could also be just a general aversion of politics in the workplace, it’s usually not a good place to start (non-work related) political fights.
Actually politics are pretty well discussed here, especially because of our current situation in the economy, plus talks of moving to Mexico.
Yeah, most people I’ve met are like that.
It’s everything else I ca t stand.
Someone in that thread you linked to posted this short video, I think it’s worth a watch: There are more communists than you think!
in turkey there are 400 thousand communists that always vote for minority parties and a fuck load more that vote for other parties because minority parties have no chance
This is in an extremely conservative country and you might see through that USA, Germany, Britain and alike have a higher percentage of such population
Alles was fehlt damit die Revolution in Gang kommt, ist, dass jemand den ersten Schritt tut
Luigi sagt nein.
Braucht wahrscheinlich eher sowas wie ne netflix serie oder ein tiktok Video.
Ja dann mach ma’
Crypto?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-communism
Crypto-communism is a secret support for, or admiration of, communism.
As in communists who hide their ideology
Everyone who wants to fly to America has to. Am curious what would happen if I ticked Yes next to “have you ever associated with communists”. Do they just kick you out or is there a lengthy interrogation process first?
I feel seen
It is kind of a hopeful message isn’t it?
