• Muad'dib@sopuli.xyz
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    They live in a culture of cowardice. They think violence is a shameful thing. They’re taught passivity from birth. Instead of learning to fight honourably, they’re taught not to fight at all. Not to yell. Not to argue. Not to protest. Not to kill. It’s the morality underpinning their society. It’s a mind prison that makes them into obedient servants to the master class.

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    7 hours ago

    Any resistance we do have gets met with “well aktchually” its not doing enough, its too little too late, where was this when? Maybe stfu and pick up a pitchfork mf

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    These are the kind of people that can’t even run into each others without going ballistic over a simple greeting and you expect them to enact a revolt LMAO 🤣

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    Because half of Americans have no idea what’s going on, a quarter of them support the coup, and out of the remaining quarter, 99% are burnt out wage slaves that are just one missed shift away from losing everything. We literally can’t do anything because we are minority; just rats trapped in a maze.

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    We still have too much to lose in a revolt. Most people are still materially comfortable (or at least that hasn’t changed because of Trump).

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    Look, cards on the table, shit IS scary. We’ve got an intelligence apparatus that has every message every one of us has ever sent electronically, and probably microphone data from every Internet connected device we’ve ever been in earshot of, so organizing something a little more potent has to happen nearly spontaneously. You’re dreaming if you think our operatives (or cops for that matter) are above just throwing a bag over your head, breaking your legs and throwing you down a mineshaft. Those intelligence agencies, for most of a century, have been spearheaded by the kind of people that sponsored violent right wing reactionary movements around the world to depose peaceful communist/leftist regimes you’ve maybe never heard of. They’d gladly take this over someone even as far left as Sanders.

    Half the country still thinks that everything happening is perfectly cool and normal and totally how a republic works. A lot of the people in power still aren’t convinced that Trump won’t wake up one day and just be normal; they come to each new day of horrors completely shocked and surprised that he continued to be what he said he would, and to suggest that we should maybe do something about that is scandalous to them. Those two things together mean that the meaningful support is not great. Being a lone gunman is unlikely to change much, given that MAGA is a movement, and others around Trump- the people who hand him the EOs, and the billionaires who sponsor them- will remain. Being an armed resistance is effectively a death sentence, and nobody’s quite ready to sign up for that, at least until it’s absolutely clear that the alternative to fighting is just as bad. If I go rogue and catch a bullet, nobody’s going to take care of my family, they’re going to be homeless until RFK sends them off to a camp. Plus, as others have mentioned, it’s pretty goddamn difficult to organize mass protests in DC when everyone who feels like you do is living dollar store hot dog to dollar store hot dog and DC is further from you than Moscow is from London.

    For as long as I’ve been alive, the consistent message to the American people has been that help is not coming. The cops will gladly form a task force to come shoot your grandma in her living room, but routinely have argued that they have no duty to protect you. When the BLM protests were happening, a bunch of my coworkers cheered and giggled at videos of cops doing drive by pepper spraying of people who were just walking, and derided that dude (I think it was in Seattle?) who returned fire when the cops shot at him first. When the great recession happened, our government spent a trillion dollars bailing out banks instead of people. If you need assistance, you’re ruthlessly scrutinized and continuously presumed to be a criminal or a parasite, only to be given not nearly enough at the end of it. Not only that, but we’ve even been attacking the helpers. We’ve spent decades eroding the ability to join a union, eroding the efficacy of unions, fighting and propagandizing against them at every turn (it doesn’t help that I’ve had my fair share of experience with worthless unions where the rep wouldn’t even return your calls. I know more people who’ve had experience with weak ass unions than people who’ve had experience with unions that are prepared to bury your boss under a sports stadium). We’re shutting down churches that house the homeless, arresting people who try to feed them, and our authorities have the goddamn audacity to frame that and bulldozing encampments as acts of “compassion” because to not make the homeless miserable is to enable them. Every one fundamentally understands that help is not coming, we must help ourselves, and this is a really, really, really big job for an individual.

    So, yeah, I’d say I’m pretty goddamn scared and I feel rational to be so.

    The only thing that makes real sense, imo, is to start laying the groundwork for cold balkanization. It will break the federal government’s power, finally allow needed social, legal, and economic changes, and hopefully can be achieved without much bloodshed.

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    It takes guts and strength. In the mass of population, this is found in people who have nothing to lose. Today, you always have something to lose. It’s called comfort. If you don’t have comfort, someone’s pressuring you in one way or another, and you don’t have strength to rebel. You can’t. Literally.

    If you have comfort, why would you rebel at all.

    Then, anything goes, no matter how offended you are.

    The stupidest win because of fear. They are not inherently stupid, they just make the stupid choice. Making a stupid choice doesn’t make you stupid forever (except in the US).

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    well, having the most overfunded military plus homeland security plus NSA&fbi makes a revolt kinda suicidal….
    but hey, we can buy rifles

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      The ones passionate about guns are the same uneducated ones sucking on the propaganda tit. They’re just starting to get inklings that it might have been a bad idea, unfortunately most of them will stick their fingers in their ears and say it’ll all be just fine.

      IMO 70:30 we won’t revolt, the silent majority doesn’t like it, but just accepts the Nazi overtake.

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        Guns and ammo are available in pretty much every city in America, just throwing it out there.

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          You would be suprised. This topic has crossed my circles, every firearms introduction and saftey class within 30 miles is sold out till april. Unless you have a friend who is willing teach you the basics and how to use them safely, you just got to wait in line.

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      Yes it is. But unless YOU personally are willing to risk death, then it means little. The magas seem reasonably content at the moment. And progressives aren’t willing to give up the comforts of life either. Nor are they actually interested in getting their hands dirty by running for any office either. They mostly prefer to whinge on line rather than do much beyond complaints and yard signs.

      If and when people are homeless and starving and believe they have no other alternative, then they might pick up a gun. But that point in time isn’t here yet.

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        If and when people are homeless and starving and believe they have no other alternative, then they might pick up a gun. But that point in time isn’t here yet.

        Of course; as we all know, the starving and homeless are the most revolutionary element of society.

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          they quite literally are my guy, when you have no food, no home, no family, and no life worth living, you will do whatever you see fit.

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          Historically, yes they are. They are the ones with nothing left to lose except their lives. And are more likely to revolt. Anyone with a couch and xbox isn’t nearly the threat to those in power. I believe that’s called ‘Bread and Circuses’

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            Historically, yes they are.

            Historically, they fucking aren’t. Revolutionary action doesn’t come from the starving and homeless. Most revolutions are driven by the comfortable middle class. The working class is often in support, but the working class is generally neither starving nor homeless when they lend their support, because starving and homeless people are generally worried about things other than the overall political situation.

            They are the ones with nothing left to lose except their lives.

            They’re also the ones whose primary thoughts of gain are centered around immediate, not long-term or abstract, needs. Desperation drives one to desperate acts - with desperate goals. A starving man doesn’t overthrow a government, a starving man steals bread.

            And are more likely to revolt.

            When? When has this been true? How many incidents of mass starvation have seen the quiet acquiescence of the population?

            Anyone with a couch and xbox isn’t nearly the threat to those in power.

            What.

            What kind of inane bullshit is this.

            Is this the left-equivalent of “Modern ‘poor’ are so rich they even have refrigerators”?

            I believe that’s called ‘Bread and Circuses’

            Bread and circuses were used to keep the middle and upper-working-class of the city of Rome from protesting the loss of their political power. Not to keep the starving or homeless satisfied; nor did such measures include the slaves of the city, who generally had much lower living standards than the established working families who attended the assemblies of Rome. It also didn’t keep the middle and upper-working-class of the city from violence and revolt against the establishment.

            • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
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              Desperation drives one to desperate acts - with desperate goals. A starving man doesn’t overthrow a government, a starving man steals bread.

              Yes, and a million starving men will kill the people keeping all the bread so they can eat. The Russian revolution, for example, was directly caused by the lack of food in Russian cities, and the revolutions of 1848-1849 were in part caused by the hungry forties.

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                Yes, and a million starving men will kill the people keeping all the bread so they can eat.

                Brilliant, I suppose that’s why famines are so often accompanied by redistribution of wealth, once the rich have been killed so the poor can eat. Inequality plummets after famines, what with all of those dead elites. /s

                The Russian revolution, for example, was directly caused by the lack of food in Russian cities,

                The actual conditions of food availability had been considerably worse without murmur of revolution, numerous times before. And quite a few times after, for that matter. Much of the initial unrest was because of the prospect of rationing was the final irritant in a weak government’s loss of popularity, not because people were starving. Furthermore, the strata most likely to experience anything resembling actual starvation was the peasantry, which was largely indifferent to the prospect of revolution, and would end up as a primary support base for the counterrevolutionaries in the years to come.

                and the revolutions of 1848-1849 were in part caused by the hungry forties.

                Insofar as they caused economic distress by increasing food prices. Insofar as actual starvation is concerned, no. There’s a reason why the Communist Manifesto, itself written during the Revolutions of 48, mentions the lack of revolutionary potential of the peasantry, who would’ve been the most food insecure of the classes.

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                  Brilliant, I suppose that’s why famines are so often accompanied by redistribution of wealth, once the rich have been killed so the poor can eat. Inequality plummets after famines, what with all of those dead elites. /s

                  Here’s Wikipedia on the Irish potato famine:

                  The period of the potato blight in Ireland from 1845 to 1851 was full of political confrontation.[84] A more radical Young Ireland group seceded from the Repeal movement in July 1846, and attempted an armed rebellion in 1848. It was unsuccessful.

                  Peasant uprisings almost always (or just always???) end in failure, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

                  Furthermore, the strata most likely to experience anything resembling actual starvation was the peasantry, which was largely indifferent to the prospect of revolution, and would end up as a primary support base for the counterrevolutionaries in the years to come.

                  What? No. The Russian peasantry was having the time of their lives during WWI (well, the ones not conscripted into the war anyway). It’s a long story, but because of inflation, strained supply chains and government failures meant that while the food was there, it just wasn’t getting to the cities. Also do note that the Russian peasantry, while not as revolutionary as the urban proletariat, were absolutely not indifferent to the prospect of revolution. These were the people breaking into, ransacking and burning down their local nobles’ manors. They were also electing these guys.

                  Insofar as they caused economic distress by increasing food prices. Insofar as actual starvation is concerned, no.

                  Those are literally the same thing. Economic distress is just an expression of the human desire not to starve.

                  There’s a reason why the Communist Manifesto, itself written during the Revolutions of 48, mentions the lack of revolutionary potential of the peasantry, who would’ve been the most food insecure of the classes.

                  I don’t see why peasants would be any more affected by lack of food than the urban proletariat, but that could be just my ignorance. Also Marx’s reasons for making that conclusion were based on peasants’ relationship with private property and religion, and not about how they’re somehow more at leace with rhe prospect of starving to death.

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              Is anyone into Xbox/Netflix/Amazon boycott for 2 years? Walmart? Target? I know there are a few who trulyhave no choice, his many who do are willing to go through the inconvenience? How many are doing shadow work to deal with triggers, distress tolerance/self soothing work? That’s what it’s going to be, before revo.

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                Been boycotting a few of those since their inception and the others for 15 + years. I talk with people about how bad walmart,target , Amazon are for our area and local business when they opine about the “good old days” and they say " wow, yeah your right , wow . But I can order a charger for my cell phone and have it at my door tomorrow".

                Most people are just receivers for advertising at this point. It’s scary

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                  Great job! Keep talking to people! These corps got rich with our meager contributions, they can get poor without them!

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                My Amazon boycott has been going legit since October, when Bezos quashed the WaPo endorsement. Won’t pretend that I don’t miss some of the convenience, and I sure as shit wasn’t a lucrative customer padding their profit margins, but a man has to have some standards.

                Same reason why I gave up Pepsi shortly after the outbreak of the Russo-Ukrainian War. I don’t expect corpos to have a conscience, but I sure as shit still ain’t gonna back the worst of the offenders.

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                  Great job! Keep talking to people! These corps got rich with our meager contributions, they can get poor without them!

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        And progressives aren’t willing to give up the comforts of life either.

        they’re too busy yapping on lemmy about how some shit fuck stuff happened and now the sky is falling to actually do anything about it.

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      Yes. But the Dems decided that was bad and convinced most of their demographic to disarm themselves.

      So now 90% of the guns are in the hands of the fascists.

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          a lot of people agree agreed …

          Seems what they bought is not what they got.

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            bought is not what they got.

            Yeah, that paint is just starting to crack now.

            The problem is that they’re getting most of what they want and starting to get some things they don’t want. They’re not going to act until the ratio of want to don’t want is more like 40:60, many of them are of the mindset that as long as everyone is suffering, justice is being served.

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        It’s very impressive how everything you do or don’t do is Dems fault. You would think with this amount of shadow leverage over the public they are actually in control, eh?

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          Yeah it aint the fault of the dems on the disarmament bullshit, its the fault of the fucking suburban yuppies. I will burn it all.

          Aight spiteful Redneck statement out of my system. There are worse yuppies now anyways like the ones out in Palm Springs ugh.

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        i think the majority of most democrats would be in favor of self defense weapons being legal to own.

        We’re mostly against complete idiots having access to dangerous weapons.

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          So which is it? You can’t have guns and not have them be accessible to people at the same time.

          Whether a gun is good or bad depends on timing and perspective. All else being equal, a gun at home is way more likely to kill a member of the household than an assailant. But things aren’t always equal.

          I live alone, and don’t have kids over. I ain’t killing myself, and I have decades of experience in firearm safety. So the odds of someone in my household getting hurt by my guns are very low. At the same time, I do live in an area with 40+ minute police response time, so if there is a violent situation, I’m on my own. Guns increase my safety.

          But someone with no training, small kids in the house, and in a safe area isn’t in the same situation, and firearms make them less-safe.

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            it’s both? You live in the same world i do right? Like we both have the same level of intelligence and critical thinking right? You can let people own guns legally, as weapons of self defense, while also preventing people who are a danger to society and other people, from owning them as well. We’re clearly struggling with the second part, and the republican gun movement isn’t doing much to improve that look either.

            Whether a gun is good or bad depends on timing and perspective.

            literally no? Whether or not a gun is good depends solely on whether or not it positively influenced your outcome in life. Murdering someone is obviously bad, and is going to have a bad outcome for you, using it to protect yourself against someone in a situation where you may have been killed, is obviously a good thing for you.

            Timing and perspective is just what LEADS to these situations, but doesn’t actually denote any significant quality.

            a gun at home is way more likely to kill a member of the household than an assailant.

            due to domestic violence? I’m guessing responsible gun owners aren’t just randomly shooting their family members and pets randomly. Unless you’re referring to some sort of like, schizophrenic safety metric where if your house is on a native indian burial site you’re 3x more likely to get cancer and fucking die. In which case, that’s due to an individuals inherent incompatibility with life, not due to any fault of the gun or the gun owner. (unless they were negligent)

            I live alone, and don’t have kids over. I ain’t killing myself, and I have decades of experience in firearm safety. So the odds of someone in my household getting hurt by my guns are very low.

            exactly, the best kind of person to own a gun. Whether or not you have a family doesn’t significantly change that statistic, unless you don’t responsibly store them, or educate your family on them, or i guess you randomly decided to kill everyone in your house one day.

            But someone with no training, small kids in the house, and in a safe area isn’t in the same situation, and firearms make them less-safe.

            not necessarily, but that is a significantly increased risk for that gun owner. It’s like arguing that owning a power tool is dangerous to your entire family, and neighbors, simply because someone could get hurt by it. Which IS true, it’s just not a real statistic that people actually view.

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              The thing is, we can’t control for who is bad most of the time. People get murdered with guns every day, and it’s all by people who passed background checks or who acquired them by buying them on a secondary market.

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        Statistics don’t support that notion especially considering the typical demographics of the fastest growing groups of new gun owners being dominanted by POC. Its just that violence without coordination and organization will be called terrorism and they may just kill you on the spot for that regardless. See Willem Von Spronsen and Luigi Mangione.

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    Revolt? Americans proved that they would rather let the country burn under a fascist psychopath than oppose him and vote for an imperfect alternative. Americans get what they deserve, even the left went full toxic American this election, they can’t unify to oppose shit.

    The American leftists are currently surrounded by the fire and wreckage of their future while going “take that democrats”