From the new terms:
When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.
Firefox “never has and never will” sell your personal data was removed.
https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b61939b7f4310eb80c5470e
It was moved here, but there is no never will: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/faq
It seems like every company on the web is buying and selling my data. You’re probably no different.
Mozilla doesn’t sell data about you, and we don’t buy data about you.
Never trust them, they’re still lying on their FAQ
You can’t just turn off data collection by opt-out through this option :-/
It’s killing me x)
Search for
firefox-tou.The presence of that now magically removes mentions of privacy and not selling user-data in multiple places.
- <p> - Firefox is independent and a part of the not-for-profit Mozilla, which fights for your online rights, keeps corporate powers in check and makes the internet accessible to everyone, everywhere. We believe the internet is for people, not profit. Unlike other companies, we don’t sell access to your data. You’re in control over who sees your search and browsing history. All that and exceptional performance too. - </p> + {% if switch('firefox-tou') %} + <p>Firefox is independent and a part of the not-for-profit Mozilla, which fights for your online rights, keeps corporate powers in check and makes the internet accessible to everyone, everywhere. We believe the internet is for people, not profit. You’re in control over who sees your search and browsing history. All that and exceptional performance too.</p> + {% else %} + <p>Firefox is independent and a part of the not-for-profit Mozilla, which fights for your online rights, keeps corporate powers in check and makes the internet accessible to everyone, everywhere. We believe the internet is for people, not profit. Unlike other companies, we don’t sell access to your data. You’re in control over who sees your search and browsing history. All that and exceptional performance too.</p> + {% endif %}Difference here is
Unlike other companies, we don’t sell access to your data.- <h2 class="c-section-title">The best privacy</h2> + {% if switch('firefox-tou') %} + <h2 class="c-section-title">Always protected</h2> + {% else %} + <h2 class="c-section-title">The best privacy</h2> + {% endif %}Pivoting from privacy to security in the tos.
- <li> - <h2>{{ ftl('does-firefox-sell') }}</h2> - <p>{{ ftl('nope-never-have', url=url('privacy')) }}</p> - </li> + {% if not switch('firefox-tou') %} + <li> + <h2>{{ ftl('does-firefox-sell') }}</h2> + <p>{{ ftl('nope-never-have', url=url('privacy')) }}</p> + </li> + {% endif %}As you mentioned they will apparently sell your data under tos.
Where does the tos apply and where the mpl now?
They would have removed all those mentions of privacy entirely if the mpl had no use anymore, wouldn’t they?
I can’t wait for ladybird, firefox is going downhill because of the Mozilla Foundation
Mozilla seemingly can’t help shooting themselves in the foot, but I refuse to use Ladybird given its leadership.
…Also, although this is minor, LB effectively doesn’t exist, so of course it’s unblemished—it hasn’t had time to fuck up yet. Even the prettiest, sweetest organizations screw up in various ways. I see no reason to believe LB will be different in the real world, outside of announcements and fundraisers. Let them launch first, give them a year or two (Mozilla’s been at this for decades…) before deciding whether they’re fit to be Firefox Killer.
That said, I’d love to be proven wrong. Even if only to have something I could point at, show to Mozilla, and say “Look. That could’ve been you. Where did things go wrong, and what will you do about it?”
I don’t want Ladybird to be a Firefox killer, I don’t even think Mozilla will care, I just want another competitor in the browser market, and I have faith it will at least be as good as firefox and we’ll see from there
It’s just a lousy, metaphorical title. The real Firefox killer already exists, and its name is Chrome. I didn’t mean to imply something about your expectations for Ladybird, my bad.
It felt so weird to upvote this. Thanks for pointing that out, but also uuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggghhhhhhhh