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"I affirm your identity! You’re free to be who you are without shame! As you die in a cardboard box under a freeway of exposure for failing to be exploited well enough, and as an intentional threat to the other poories to keep laboring for their corpo bribers. 🤷
Ooh, but here, have a ribbon! I hear they’re quite tasty when boiled."
They’re not the primary villain, those are the corpo Fascists, but they’re sure as shit the bumbling secondary antagonist. The Denethor to Sauron.
The power of the status quo flows through me
Support more progressive democrats like AOC and Bernie
That won’t fix things, though. The Democratic party can’t go against its base, the bourgeoisie, it acts like a great filter. An actual worker party, like PSL, needs to be built up and supported instead.
Bernie has literally stated that he only runs as a Dem because of the 2 party system and would otherwise be an independent which is the case with most progressives.
Turning up your nose at 2 perfectly good candidates in favor of some non-existent hypothetical candidate is crazy.
Correct, Bernie’s strategy also hasn’t worked. As a Communist I don’t consider Bernie and AOC to be “perfectly good,” and the 2 party system itself needs to be overthrown in order to be fixed, which isn’t happening at the ballot box either.
Bernie and those like him have informed me and many others of what a good politician can look like and may have inspired others like AOC to start their career. I will support them as much as I can because they may inspire even more like them to actually have enough people to make a meaningful change in the party or, if we miraculously get away from the two party system, spin up a new one.
Bernie certainly isn’t as bad as, say, Fetterman, but he has his fair share of bad policy (especially foreign policy, which ends up just being justification for US Imperialism), and due to how the 2 party system works the Democrats will never be able to truly be “taken over” by progressives, as that would hurt their donor-base, the bourgeoisie. A genuine worker party is necessary, but it will not be capable of being reformist, it must be revolutionary, ie PSL.
I respectfully disagree that the party could never change due to their current funding, and I am rubbed the wrong way by how you continue to seem to push that I shouldn’t support better politicians just because they aren’t perfect.
Not trying to be mean, but how do you envision the DNC changing its tune?
As for your bit on me implying only perfection is acceptable, that’s not my stance, rather what I consider acceptable is pretty different. Again, I’m a Communist, that doesn’t mean I need my candidate to start a guerilla war from the mountains against their local Wal-Mart, but it does mean I hold stock in anti-US Imperialism and a dedication to bringing about Socialism, which at this point does require revolution.
You are in .ml, of course they would advocate for someone further left than Bernie and AOC no matter how implausible their ideas are.
To be clear, AOC’s and Bernie’s ideas don’t seem to have a real path to implementation. Marxists aren’t idealists, we are practical and are Materialists, and part of that practicality is understanding that policies can sound good, but without a path to implementation they might as well be ghosts, even if they are more moderate ideas.
Funny how their “marxist” ideas are and have been implemented in Europe for 80+ years.
I didn’t call Bernie or AOC Marxists, rather they are Social Democrats. I myself am a Marxist-Leninist and am speaking as one, hence “we.” Social Democracies in the Nordics are built on Imperialism, that’s how they sustain themselves, and only have the privledges they do because the bourgeoisie was afraid of revolution like in Russia when it first went Socialist.
Bernie, the guy who refuses to call the Palestinian genocide a genocide? This marvelous tweet Bernie? https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/d200e7bc-08c9-4b63-954b-0a7973050cc3.jpeg Bernie the supporter of about every US regime war?
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Oh look, pathetic personal attacks and baseless slander when they have no arguments to counter facts.
The best you can expect from an ignorant lemm.ee bot with a one day old account. LOL
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It goes against their interests to promote class consciousness, same applies to any electoral party (even those considering themselves on the left), not just the dems or liberal parties of Europe. Class consciousness develops outside the electoral system.
Yup, rich exist in both sides of the political spectrum. The war between the right and the left is there to distract from the more important class war.
The existence of class war is a Leftist stance, are you referring to Democrats as the “left” or Leftists as the left? I agree that political theater is a distraction, but this wording is confusing.
It’s a big club, and we’re not in it.
2·5 hours agoIt’s actually a small club, and we could make our own big club with healthcare and housing
And blackjack and hookers?
Everyone is seeing for their own interests. We really need people in power that HATE being in a power.
I mean, politicians get paid pennies compared to CEO-s with massive risks, why would any intelligent & honest person consider being a politician. Cold fact is, being an honest politician is the worst employment opportunity ever.
I hold true to the notion that a representative government with representatives selected at random would be much better then what we have.
There would still be appointed positions but replace most elected posistions with a lottery and go from there.
controlled opposition.
Doubting that this is the case, seeing how they are trying to push back against protests against Republicans, is just delusional. I refuse to believe them to be so incompetent, that they constantly act against their own interests and boost MAGA message instead. Bernie gets way more attention from the public than everything they are doing right now combined, and they barely acknowledge he exists.
They deliberately act incompetent. And they have the same interests as the other side of the uniparty since they have the same donors and are ment to serve them, not the public.
And it’s not their own controlled opposition Bernie that they want to shut up or furiously andsuddenly competently work to get off the ballots, but real left 3rd party candidates.
They have their Bernies and squad members for the sole reason to keep their voters running away from them.
The Republicans are a mass shooter massacring children inside a school
The Democrats are the Uvalde police department
They’re just standing around holding their dicks LETTING it happen completely unopposed.
Best analogy I’ve seen so far, thanks so much.
they aren’t the first person to say that i’ve seen this week, but they are the first person i’ve seen pass it off as their own.
I hadn’t read it as “theirs”, I assume they heard it somewhere and are repeating it just as I plan to do.
Not all of them, but yeah you’re right.
Everything is an over generalization. Nothing is black and white. Only a sith deals in absolutes.
Secretly cheering on the school shooters
What do you propose they do?
It’s more that they can’t do what’s necessary, because they can’t become a worker party. All of their base and funding comes from the bourgeoisie, they aren’t connected with the masses, and even if they tried they would risk severing their real base. The point of the meme is to point out that the Democrats can never be a worker party, so an alternative must be built, like PSL.
Legislate, sue, protest, and otherwise make it more annoying for Republicans to do anything.
I get that they’re not the majority, so not much legislation will pass, but they still have tactics to delay any actions.
Why are the Republicans the only ones who can find and exploit loopholes in the constitution?
Solid reply. First realistic thing I’ve heard from someone complaining.
also see: https://indivisible.org/resource/guide
I have seen Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren doing protests and stuff.
It is a bit weird how the Republicans can prevent Scotus noms and stuff and the Dems just sit back. I think the Republicans know their base will always go for them and the dirtier the better. I think the Dems are too fragmented both in terms of how to please their voters and in terms of how to get stuff done.
They are doing a lot of these things, the media is just barely covering it. Here’s that coverage brought up higher. Could they and should they do more, absolutely and do put directed pressure them to do more, but let’s not pretend they are doing nothing. That just creates defeatism instead of the energy we need to keep the pressure up
Handful of the lawsuits that you probably didn’t hear about:
Democratic AGs win preliminary injunction against DOGE access to Treasury payment systems
Gov. Josh Shapiro Says Over $2 Billion of Federal Funding Is Unfrozen for Pennsylvania (following PA’s lawsuit)
20 Dem AGs sue over Trump efforts to fire probationary employees
Democratic AGs sue over cancellation of teacher grants
More than a dozen state attorneys general file lawsuit challenging Musk and DOGE’s authority
Democratic attorneys general sue to block Trump’s attempt to end birthright citizenship
Democratic National Committee Files Lawsuit Against Trump
And so many more. There are an insane number of lawsuits going on right now
In delay tactics, they could do more, but they have now starting using them. It’s more than zero that’s for sure. Keep the pressure up here for them to do more. Call your reps to deny unanimous consent more often - it’s starting to get through a bit. Here’s a few examples
Senate Democrats Hold Floor In All-Night Protest of Trump’s OMB Nominee (they held it for the maximum 30 hours)
Scoop: Senate Dems delay Tulsi Gabbard nomination (were able to do so because of some procedural stuff with how she filed her clearance)
Senate Democrats delay Kash Patel committee vote
In terms of protests, they are also speaking and rallying at them with again limited coverage. Here’s a few
Democrats Protest Outside USAID Headquarters as Trump Seeks to Dismantle Agency
Dems protesting outside the department of education, trying to get in and denied entry
Dems protesting outside of the EPA
And so on
Token efforts…
thank you
More than hold ping pong paddles with the word false written on them. With the exception of a select few, they’re all basically wet blankets. Let’s see some civil disobedience, let’s see someone getting arrested for standing up for what’s right? Best they can do is ping pong paddles?
I would argue that’s the responsibility of the people and not a political party
No, that’s what parties are for. Legislation is the job of the government.
It’s true that politicians don’t usually lead, they look to the voting base to see what they can do. I think the issue right now is that there isn’t (yet) a unifying leader that can mobilize a big enough population of people to make it impossible for the media to ignore. while I think smaller protests have their place they are useless if they don’t move to something bigger. And something bigger - that being millions of people filling the streets of multiple cities - won’t happen without a big charismatic leader like Martin Luther King, jr.
Yet the middle of the road, center right democrats that hold power see this as a challenge to their control. They only have to look to how the GOP was hollowed out by a big charismatic leader in trump. The more “moderate” republicans lost control to the more extreme right - the moderate democrats don’t want that and will do what they can to hold down that yet unknown person from gaining a voice for the left.
Anything
Such as?
Not stand around outside doing nothing.
So nothing specific?
They’re elected for a reason; if we have to spearhead the action, then they’re pointless and shouldnt be there
They’re the ones making millions do it as a career. They should at least be able to do something.
Take their hands off their cocks/clams and stop playing the insider trader market. To start with.
Go back in time and stack the Supreme Court under Biden.
Go back in time and groom a candidate to replace Biden after his first term.
Go back in time and let Bernie run as a VP or Presidential candidate.
There’s no going back in time but they can learn from their mistakes and avoid repeating them.
The current Democratic leadership is incapable of learning from their mistakes. That’s the problem.
That’s unfortunate.
At this point it feels like they were only ever there to give the illusion of choice.
It seems pretty clear to me. Just suggesting that people who were advocating for that third party lady had some valid point and should at least be heard got me downcited to hell. Not saying people should voye for her, just saying listen to people who do vote for her get their point. This instant reaction to third party let me believe that choice is the last thing the system wants. Even after the election the idea of New parties kept being ridiculed, even though it would be the best time to push for it. I’m not saying that dr last is the right person. But you need options.
Even after the election the idea of New parties kept being ridiculed, even though it would be the best time to push for it.
They’ve been doing this in particular for at least 24 years, since the 2000 election. It has been obvious that FPTP needs to go this entire time. And still only a handful of Democrats oppose it.
When election season rolls around, they’ll say that you just started and should wait for a more convenient season. They’ll tell you that the third party isn’t built up enough yet, and should go from 0 to 51% votes as all spherical voters coordinate perfectly.
They’ll tell you to “push for” all sorts of stuff without actually holding anyone accountable. Just protest with a sign that says “I’ll still vote for you but pretty please change”.
Can you please explain?
Democrats talk big game, but somehow always seem to be too weak to get anything done. However, when it comes to suppressing the Left and trying to prevent worker radicalization, they are mysteriously competent in comparison.
However, when it comes to suppressing the Left and trying to prevent worker radicalization, they are mysteriously competent in comparison.
I think this is because of FDR
Not really, it’s more caused by being a mainstream party in a bourgeois democracy.
That’s one of the reasons. Another reason is FDR painted Democratic Party as party for the workers with his social policies when served as president
Kinda? That wasn’t because of FDR, more it was a response to increasing Communist sympathies as a way to prevent revolution. FDR was responding to the political climate, it wasn’t a decision made out of context.
When republicans are in power democrats are powerless because they are in the minority When democrats are in power they somehow are still powerless to do anything meaning full because "republican are preventing " them from doing anything The only time they seem to be able to do something is to crush any attempt to change the status quo in favor of the working class.
The tyranny of small donors has left me scarred and deformed.
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