I’d love to see some stats on reddit engagement now. Anecdotally, I logged in just to look at my usual subreddits (the ones that are open) and they seem dead.
I use RSS to get feeds for subs that are not active in lemmy.
Many posts are dog shit level now. Either looking for help or just garbage.
Check out r/lemmino lol.
Yep. I feel like all of the high-value like high-quality posters are now here or elsewhere and are done with reddit. I used to post a ton on reddit, even across multiple accounts. Now I just post here. lol
Oh RSS feed is a good idea. The only sub I still check is r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks xd
Edit: Anyone knows a better free web-based RSS reader than Feedly? It kept sending me to its paid service for trying to sub to a Reddit feed, until I subbed to it via SiftRSS D:
Ive been using FreshRSS for years. You can either selfhost it or use one of the public instances.
Thanks, I’ll check that one out too :)
EDIT: Sorry, I missed the “web based”. Today I’m incredibly distracted.
Feeder is pretty good if you use Android.
No worries, but I’m a diehard PC user xd
I might end up going with an open-source desktop app in the end, both Fluent Reader and Raven Reader look good.
I self host FreshRSS & RSS-Bridge in Docker and view everything in Fluent Reader (Linux), FeedMe (Android), and Read You (Android). I absolutely love it!
I tried out Fluent Reader (Windows) yesterday, but it was a bit buggy and lacked some necessary features, so I’m testing NewsBlur for now. The free version is kinda limited, but I love the training feature, and in general it feels the most user-friendly out of the 4-5 services/apps I tried yesterday.
hosting freshrss locally and just tested that it can subscribe to reddit no problems (although I don’t want to) - their cloud instances should work : https://www.freshrss.org/cloud-providers.html
thanks, I’ll check it out! I’d probably go with one of their cloud instances, as self-hosting is a pain with my skill level.
A fellow leaks enjoyer, hi there! It’s also the only community on Reddit I still check as well. Excited for Fontaine?
Sound like you two need to get on the sources and start a Lemmy community.
I’d be terrible as a mod, but I might be up to preprare the posts when I hit my vacation in a few weeks.
Also, there’s already a community, but with low traction right now.
Yeah, the issue is that the whole sub is just screenshots and videos of leakers’ Telegram, Discord and Twitter channels. I don’t have free capacity for trawling through these kind of feeds, checking for reliability, etc. 😅
Same for me, with family and full-time work, but I can probably set up a bot during vacation to check for these sources. If I set it up to just check for stuff every two hours or so I don’t think I’ll hit any kind of rate limit.
that sounds good!
I’m moderately excited, looking forward to exploring the new landscape, but aside of Lyney, I don’t particularly want to pull for any of the characters. (Maaaybe Wriothesley, depending on his personality and kit.)
I’ll get Furina since collecting archons is a safe bet. Aside from her I’m still evaluating who I really want (possibly Arlechinno, Navia and Neuvillete).
I’m much more interested in the lore and hoping hoyo finally starts moving the celestia/abyss plot forward big time. It’s about time we see some real big stuff to happen.
Yeah, I’m looking forward to meeting Navia in-story, she seems nice, just not sure if pull-worthy nice. Otoh I really like geo characters, so if her kit is good, maybe :D I’d love another geo catalyst.
Re story: Yeah, tbh that plot arc is pretty much the only aspect of Genshin’s story I find engaging. The rest is too juvenile for my taste 😅
I’d really love her to be a Geo off-field DPS, but without her damage being tied to a construct like Albedo. I need more damage for my Noelle team 🥲
I have been using CommaFeed for years. I’m not a huge fan of the most current design, but overall it works well.
thanks, I’ll check it out :)
I like theoldreader. It looks like Google’s reader from way back when
thanks, it looks nice!
I use this app on Android to view my feeds that are on that site:
looks nice, but I’m a PC user
It’s funny reading people suggesting RSS on here as a way to replace Reddit. Aaron Schwartz helped create both of them.
Huh, just looked him up, sad that he died so young :c
thanks!
If Lemmy supported images in it’s RSS feeds I’d never leave my client.
Its open-source, so it wouldn’t be impossible to add images. Probably pretty trivial actually. Might be a good first PR
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The bots won’t stop. And probably have increased. So it’ll be tough to see without slices we’ll never get
That’s the punchline that makes me chuckle when I read how “little impact” the protests and migration have had.
Here’s a little secret: Reddit mods can’t know for sure which accounts are bots. They can suspect, but they’re no easy, reliable proof. Reddit admins, though, know exactly which accounts are bots — they just prefer keeping that info to themselves.
For me, that triggers a great big “Hmmmm”.
And they’ll never differentiate them. If their investors know how much of their traffic was just bots they’d divest immediately
I checked a few days ago, and almost all subs I frequented look as before. Maybe a little less content than before, but even midsized ones have more engagement than my whole Lemmy feed.
So I saw this on mastodon … and it’s a little weird, perhaps not unlike the cultures that migrants develop in their new homes.
There’s a tendency, I think, to overestimate how bad the “old” platform has become since “we” left. In reality, it’s not nearly that bad, if any different at all, and those of us not inclined toward this overestimation go and check the old platform from time to time and get confused as to where all of this “hellscape deadness” is.
I think we can all imagine to some extent why this might happen. But I’m writing this just in case it’s healthy to point out that it need not happen, and that the thing that’s actually changed, though you might not know if you’ve arrived here recently, is this place, which is a whole new thing!
A story I think of along these lines is what Steve Jobs did when he went back to Apple in the late 90s. Back then Apple thought they had to beat Microsoft to win. Thing is the company was close to dying with huge debts etc and were never going to do that (still haven’t come close today). But they were so enamoured with their past to the point of having a museum of all of their old products. Jobs had the museum removed, told everyone that for Apple to win it has to stop thinking about Microsoft because they’ll never be destroyed, instead Apple had to win by doing its own thing, and then, super contraversially for the time, had Bill Gates invest a bunch of money into Apple and appear on the big screen during a keynote to rather audible “boos”.
It doesn’t matter what Reddit’s doing or whether they’re doing well. It matters if we’re doing well … as cheesy as that might sound.
It matters, because smaller communities don’t exist here. I try my best to fill !folkmetal@discuss.tchncs.de and !crpg@discuss.tchncs.de, and I simply gave up on /r/malazan, but those communities (and others) are already small on Reddit.
Medium, tech-affine subs like homeassistant and selfhosted were fine to move. Game-specific (outside of AAA) subs and niche-subs are simply dead, the average gamer won’t use something as complicated as Lemmy, and niche-subs are too small. Hell, not even the 4X community exists here, leave alone a sub for any specific 4X. There’s a Strategy community for stuff including 4X: No posts in weeks. It’s sad.
It’s also why I will stay on Reddit for the forseeable future. Lemmy will be my main home, but the users are on Reddit.
It’s sad.
I get where you’re coming from … but I’m inclined to push back on this. I don’t think it’s sad. Reddit has many users on it and lemmy has substantially fewer. Not every interest is going to be covered by the amount of people here. It’s just a reality right now.
However convenient it is to have everything on one platform or one place, I think it’s important to recognise how much of a weapon or shield that is for big-social monopoly companies. A fractured and more open or diverse internet is, IMO, a good thing. It’s also less convenient and staying in contact with people only on reddit makes sense. But that drop in convenience is worth it, IMO, and I don’t think it’s sad.
Just do what you can on Lemmy for now and wait for the users to make their way over. It will take a couple years but as long as the quality here is better, people will slowly but steadily make the transition. And it won’t be hard to beat out reddit in user experience, we all know how far they have fallen and it’s only getting worse after they IPO.
This is the exact sort of thinking maegul was attempting to debunk…
Not really, I already knew reddit was shit before I left. I just didn’t know of any alternative. I’m also not suggesting that our success is reliant on reddit’s failure.
I’m in full agreement with him, reddit hasn’t changed much at all, but Lemmy has reminded us that there could be something much better again.
I don’t think he was debunking the idea that reddit might eventually fall, but rather that they would fall overnight, as some people here like to imply. Also worth mentioning that Microsoft and Apple are generational tech companies while reddit is a social media platform that’s much more susceptible to rapid decline.
Not really, I already knew reddit was shit before I left. I just didn’t know of any alternative. I’m also not suggesting that our success is reliant on reddit’s failure.
But it was not for me. It was amazing. I was not in any default subs or major subreddits (well, ELI5 is major, but I treated that as read-only), but my experience with Reddit was the best of anything since I first went online in the 90s. Lemmy is the first thing that comes close, but Reddit was nowhere near shit. The only reason I’m here, instead of there, is because Spez is some dumb fuck.
Not that I’m any sort of gospel to be taken seriously or anything … not really, my point was about focusing on this place doing well rather than focusing on reddit losing or dying, in part because Reddit may not die any time soon. Or it might but not pass all of its users onto the fediverse. But yea … if the quality of people, culture and, slowly but surely, features, not least of which being the whole FOSS, non-profit decentralised freedom thing, people will surely come just as they have with mastodon.
There are people on Mastodon?
Rock and stone with us. !drg@lemmy.world
About my 3 least favourite things in gaming: first-person, shooter, multiplayer ;)
Love the pep talk, and the sentiment behind it.
I loved Reddit, spent at least an hour a day there and often much more, but I’m loving the Lemmy too. In many ways it’s better, and one of those ways is that it’s so much smaller — a much higher ratio of thought vs tired memes and dumb jokes and slick burns.
I’m wondering how much of that is bots.
Reddit is trying to build up to an IPO, so it’s not far-fetched to think that Steve Huffman would have seen the exodus coming, and supplemented traffic with bots so the drop in engagement didn’t seem so precipitous.
I think the thing that is going to suffer most is comment quality. Unfortunately (or for Huffman, fortunately), it’s not really something that can be quantified.
I think we will see a slow decline until the platform is basically walking dead. It’ll function, and maybe there will even be apparent engagement, but the quality will be nothing like it was before this whole debacle.
Yeah, if those are bots, then Reddit should shut down and compete with OpenAI instead, because their product is about a decade ahead ;)
I went to some threads on Reddit yesterday. Bloody hell there a lot of shit to wade through before getting to anything useful. It might be more engagement, but the amount of low-effort garbage comments turned me around really quick.
Not sure what kind of subs you are in, I don’t see that in mine.
I saw this thread of ELI5 with amazing comments explaining a part of quantum physics
Yeah mate you found one good comment. How much shit did you read before you found it? These comments are highlighted because they’re the exception. I’m not interested in wading through tons upon tons of “this” and “came here to say this” and “you win the internet sir” before I find a good comment on quantum physics.
None, because I was never in any subreddits where people talked like that.
This was a great comment, but also one that was on my front page when I went to Reddit for this thread.
But again, everything else is also the same as before, your examples make it sound like they are the kinds of subs I always avoided, none of mine have anything like that. But I guess you think I’m a shill or some other kind of liar, so whatever.
I don’t think you’re a shill. There a plenty of normal people on Reddit, enjoying the content like before. While I despise Spez, I can’t discount that they have created a product that people want to use.
But there are also plenty of people who, like me, saw a decline in the average quality of content over the last x number of years. A move to the lowest common denominator. Comments like your example were more frequent years ago relative to today.
Lemmy feels like Reddit when I joined 11-ish years ago. That’s why I’m here now.
Edit: for what it’s worth, I also didn’t go to the default subs. I spent a long time curating to my tastes and hobbies, to the point where I even blocked /r/All from Apollo so I didn’t have to see the day-to-day shit. But it didn’t help. My hobbies deteriorated into memes and low-effort shit every day.
Then why do you accuse me of faking things when I tell you what I experienced?
Lemmy feels like Reddit when I joined 11-ish years ago. That’s why I’m here now.
Lemmy has people get super pissed if you don’t trout the company line. Don’t agree that threads will be the worst thing ever? Insults and downvotes. Don’t think Reddit sucks now? Sometimes similar. Got defederated by beehaw? Tons of insults.
The subreddits I was active in almost all had less toxicity than Lemmy. Tildes.net is for when you want people that aren’t assholes. Lemmy might some day be that place, once everything is settled, and you can choose which communities of people you want to interact with.
/r/europe and /r/de were the only places worse than Lemmy.
My hobbies deteriorated into memes and low-effort shit every day.
Mine didn’t. My frontpage right now on Reddit has 2 memes out of 100 posts. Both from gaming subs that tend to have a healthy mix between meme and non-meme stuff and the memes are rarely low-effort.
I made the mistake of reading comments on one thread (I moved here full time) on r/Iamatotalpieceofshit about landlords.
It’s turned into a capitalistic hell hole, not only some of the horrible comments you read but also just need to look at the way the votes go, I felt disgusted tbh.
They bootlick way more than they admit they do.
I doubt it made a dent. 250k doesn’t even register on the map of 100m active users.
It does if those 250k are the ones submitting/creating content.
Are they though? I didn’t submit posts on reddit. Looking at the front page of lemmy it’s missing a lot of the topics and subjects reddit posts about.
I’m not trying to be a downer, I think 250k is great and it’s enough to make lemmy 100% replace reddit for me. But I don’t think it dents reddit. I talked to my friends and they barely noticed anything except the blackout. I go on reddit all the same communities are still posting and commenting as normal. But saying that when I looked at reddit I realized how much garbage is posted there compared to lemmy.
This is it though, of my subreddits that are open, it’s just complete trash being posted and a few comments (and even less meaningful comments).
I think that which 250k migrated will eventually end up making quite a significant dent. It isn’t the technophobic lurkers that make up the Lemmy early adopters.
It’s only about 50k active. The rest are all bots.
Basically this. I guess the people leaving Reddit are evened out by simply rounding the resulting values before rendering them into a graph.
Wish someone would create a bot to copy r/HyruleEngineering to the community here.
You can request that on lemmit.online if I remeber the name of the instance correctly
My local area sub is still pretty active, but I did notice that in the other subreddit the comments section is a lot more sparse.
They are probably confused about how to use an app that behaves like an ad carousel
I think having a link aggregator is going to be so great for the fediverse. It allows us to gather content from all over the internet and bring to to the often secluded fediverse.
It also means we can post links to fediverse discussions and draw people in.
Wefwef.app is great.
It is Voyager now
Not on my home screen. It’s still wefwef there, and it will stay this way.
Like lmmy.to?
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Hopefully soon, along with an API for kbin (since I’m there and want it too lol).
It would be nice to link kbin to a blog post as a comment system integrated with forum
I’m curious, why did you choose kbin over Lemmy? I immediately started away from it due to the lack of a mobile app and just seemed less integrated.
I originally went with kbin over Lemmy because the kbin webapp looked and functioned (for me) so much better. But now Memmy has gotten pretty good and close to Apollo so I’ve moved there. For me it’s all about ease of interaction/function.
Lemmy has some bonus points which at the time when I signed up (I joined Beehaw around the same time) that Lemmy does (or didn’t) have.
Blocking domains, blocking instances (coming soon), better UI (subjectively), user styles to add extra features, each community has a “normal topics in a forum” and a “Twitter-lite” area for different post types, I believe kbin has better integration/federation with Mastodon (which I also use) compared to lemmy, along with others I’m probably forgetting. (Edit: Forgot one lol, on kbin we can see upvotes and downvotes, as well as (on a topic by topic basis) you can see who upvoted and downvoted things, which I get some people wont like, and some will like, but we also have that on kbin, and can see those stats across instances of kbin & lemmy).
I don’t follow your end of the development so Lemmy may have some of those in the pipeline, or may already have some added, but at least a month ago it was a bonus on this end. The lack of an API right now does suck since it limits the app thing, but they will have an API, several of the apps devs have already said kbin will be included when time comes, and kbin mobile is honestly real good regardless so it works out.
Awaiting Boost for Lemmy, but I’m happy with Connect for now.
So far, all the lemmy apps I’ve used are in very early stages and quite buggy. Currently enjoying WefWef (PWA / web-based app) which I like the best.
Looking forward to Sync, though!
They’ve progressed very rapidly. Personally I don’t think we’re still in the “very buggy” era. I’m participating daily without major issues. There’s just a lot left to build.
I like how open it is, their git is pretty active and we get updates almost daily.
wefwef was renamed voyager a few days ago
I’m going to keep calling it WefWef since I like that name more lol. Not a fan of the Voyager renaming.
Haven’t reinstalled the app so that it is still called that on my phone.
Probably wanted to keep with the space theme, given that it’s the go-to for Apollo users right now. I think it’s a neat little nod.
Ahh that makes sense. This was my first experience with anything related to the Apollo app since I switched back to Android before it came out.
Since it’s based of Apollo then I completely understand why it’s called Voyager :)
I’m going to call it whatever the devs call it because I want other people to find it and use it. Simple as that really
What was wefwef supposed to mean anyway?
It’s a combination of the word “we” (as in social) and “woof woof,” as if to say “together we all bark like dogs.”
Not sure when you last tried Jerboa. It really shit the bed during the Lemmy 0.18 transition period but it’s been working a lot better since Jerboa v38 and is quite smooth.
I just use the mobile web interface. Good enough for now.
I was using mobile website on ios but then tried the Memmy app. The app experience is much better.
It’s mobile optimized, but it’s painfully slow and laggy. Have they fixed the annoying post auto-loading?
My lemmy.world instance used to be painfully slow, but it works perhaps faster than established big social sites now, probably due to the lack of trackers.
It looks good and works quite well especially in the newer pure black theme.
I enjoy Connect, fast and works well!
started using Liftoff since today I’m quiete like it. better than Jerboa i used before and is almost “there” to where i would want it to be.
Liftoff has all those weird issues regarding subscribing to communities, I got a “not logged in” or general authorization API error.
I just downloaded connect and so far, so good. I can see my subscriptions, I can post… It also looks somewhat familiar as a Sync user.
Never had this issue on liftoff
did you had those issues with lemmy.world? because i had the same issues with jerboa and other apps on lemmy.world. seems to be an issue with the instance not apps.
!memmy@memmy.ml is great on iOS
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !memmy@lemmy.ml
Fixed it.
Good bot
Memmy gang rise up 😤
Second. It’s the one I use exclusively now.
Thunder has been amazingly stable for me. I’ve tried everything else for android and they all stagger with loading, while thunder is buttery smooth.
Voyager is great too but I find it struggles keeping its place if you scroll as much as I do.
Okay, I just tried Thunder. This is the best one yet. Clean UI, everything’s fast. How do I edit a comment, though?
weird ux but you have to hold your phone upside down when you long press it
Doesn’t work for me
Edit: oh, it’s a swipe gesture. I wish I could edit directly from my comment history, though.
I was totally kidding but I’m glad you tried it 😁
Voyager definitely needs to add some loading/activity indicators and implement better separation between interface and data fetching. But it’s definitely the cleanest UI I’ve tried so far.
Connect has been working well for me (a thousand times more reliably than the official reddit app ever has).
I encountered a weird bug with connect, where I’m logged in, but I can’t access my profile or inbox. Some parts of the app think I’m logged in, others do not.
Could that be to do with when some instances got compromised and they had to log everyone out? I had to log out and back in as my profile/inbox weren’t showing after that, but it’s been fine since then.
Connect dev here. Yup exactly and it was a bit wonky afterwards too, seems to be okay now though.
Noice 😁
Connect works well for me.
started using Liftoff since today I’m quiete like it. better than Jerboa i used before and is almost “there” to where i would want it to be.
started using Liftoff since today I’m quiete like it. better than Jerboa i used before and is almost “there” to where i would want it to be.
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Memmy is working very well
I just wished the Lemmy API docs were better lol.
Yeah, that’s a problem with a lot of FOSS passion projects. We devs kinda like writting code, but not really documenting it. Hopefully with the influx of devs helping that will improve
More devs that don’t want to write code?
Edit: damn, meant to say write documentation. We only want to code!
Well, more devs that have to sit down and figure out how the code works and then document it for future new devs
I don’t think that is contained to FOSS passion projects ;)
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I don’t really like all the LLM hype, but I’m hoping that documentation will eventually be generated by some open source model, with human verification
Maybe we’ll eventually get the corresponding influx of tech writers.
I think that this line of reasoning becomes less and less tenable when things like Swagger exist.
It’s like almost every piece of software, period.
I just wished the Lemmy API docs were better lol.
Finnegans Wake makes more sense than Lemmy API docs. Even calling it “documentation” is a stretch.
I literally had to clone the Lemmy git repo and read the source code to find the implementation of an API endpoint and see how it worked for a script that I was writing.
These days the standard is to create an API Doc out of a OpenAPI document generated from the code itself. Someone will probably contribute to it at some point.
Fediverse software API documentation is bad across all fediverse software.
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Nah doesn’t sleep in the gutter.
He sleeps in his multimillion dollar bunker
Seriously: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich
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Someone should make a list of people who have invested in this… you know for reasons.
Oh yeah he’s one of those guys. Of course.
Infinity
Infinity is becoming Infinity for Everything Threadiverse
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There is r/Lemmy and r/LemmyMigration
They did ban lemmymigration, right?
The creator of the sub is heavily biased towards kbin, so they restricted r/lemmymigration to sway people towards kbin. They don’t seem to be willing to give the subreddit to someone who actually cares about Lemmy either.
Asshole move if you ask me.
Yeah it’s very unfortunate, those subs could bring alot more people to the fediverse if they weren’t so biased, specially with the fantastic apps Lemmy has already.
I love it how a subreddit with Lemmy in its name doesn’t direct people to Lemmy. I mean how the fuck did that happen?
Did they also make an /r/kbinmigration and use it to direct people to Lemmy? Because that would be amazing.
The Lemmy subreddit directed people to Lemmy at first, but after the creator was made aware of controversies surrounding the developers and lemmy.ml, they decided to restrict the Lemmy sub and forward people to the kbin subreddit instead.
How would a Lemmy subreddit be useful? The only thing I could see would just be a pinned message regarding general guidance
Advice on what instances to join, coordination to move communities, technical advice for those communities to form instance, etc.
I come from Reddit and that would be absolutely helpful, I’m still getting around how everything works.
Feel free to ask if you face any difficulties
Should be interesting to see how the fediverse in general handles more traffic, as we’ve seen with kbin and lemmy over the last month or so there are certainly some growing pains
at least we are making the most of our new space here, we all seem to be building something fun here
Federation in general seems to be pretty buggy, I’m running my own instance and I can see a ton of failed jobs happening in the logs. Seems like some of the issues are short comings of the ActivityPub protocol
@lohrun they are shortcomings in lemmy’s flavor of apub. activity pub is more akin to json than it is an actual social networking protocol.
@jeff@federated.fun i don’t know if there is much we can do about that though. I have read through the activity pub spec as I was considering writing a fediverse web app…I won’t disagree, it is glorified json. Unfortunately it’s the “standard” that has been loosely agreed upon. I might have the willpower to write a passion project FOSS fediverse web app but I know I couldn’t remotely begin architecting a new federation protocol as well.
The one that’s bouncing around in the back of my mind is a ActivityPub <-> NNTP gateway. Have a server that federates to things on ActivityPub and then exposes then via NNTP so that Gnus or trn would be able to speak to the server, read messages and post new messages.
That doesn’t seem impossible… I’m not sure what business logic would be needed to make them easily interoperable. Honestly the biggest complaints I’ve read about the fediverse isn’t the UIs available to view content. The issue is the bugginess of federation and the lack of content recommendation algorithms on the platforms.
I’ve been mulling over the idea of a fediverse content crawler to allow instances to mass federate content to their instance…but then like I said you also need a good recommendation algo as well.
We have a ton of dev work going into making new UIs for Lemmy but personally I think what I said above should get some love too.
Discovery is one of the great problems of the fediverse.
Old school, nntp - you got a list of all the groups and grep’ed for whatever was interesting. https://www.eternal-september.org/groups.php?hierarchy=alt - anything interesting? Subscribe. Discovery wasn’t too hard.
For Reddit, you’ve got The Algorithm which keeps suggesting things. There’s /r/all and /r/popular which has a bunch of stuff… and sometimes /r/popular has something interesting that isn’t part of the groups you subscribe that you’d want to subscribe to. There’s also people suggesting other groups to crosspost something too - which adds to the discovery for the person with content and everyone reading with a “oh, that sub also has things… another day, another cat sub.”
Twitter had its algorithm - but one of the important things was the hashtags. For example, there is #energytwitter - https://twitter.com/search?q=%23energytwitter which has lots of material about the electric grid. If you’re on twitter, subscribe to that hash tag and that interesting stuff goes past your feed.
However, with the twitter exodus, people formed instances around a hashtag… mastodon.social was “full” and not accepting new accounts, and “taking over” another instance with all that community’s content was impolite… so there’s https://mastodon.energy/explore which is the people who left twitter and went to mastodon to be active there. There’s non energy stuff, but the local hashtags and activity is good.
Now, if you’ve got an account on techhub.social but want the energy twitter experience… you can’t really get it. You’d have to subscribe to everyone on mastodon.energy or browse it in read only mode… and to get a general “question to the experts”, you’d need someone there to boost it rather than just tagging it with #energytwitter. Or you get two accounts… which is one of the things that federation tries to not have. Unfortunately, identity doesn’t have a good federation solution yet so that one identity could log into two different mastodon instances.
And so - the great federation discovery problem. And I’m not referring to !startrek@startrek.website
The other one is the multiple instances of the same thing. !java@lemmy.ml vs !java@programming.dev - subscribe to both? Just one? Got content - post to both? or just one?
Anyways, this is where we are now. ActivityPub isn’t awful. Mastodon instances seem alright. Lemmy seems a bit “by itself” with poor federation to others. I can subscribe to events on https://events.nixnet.services in Mastodon without any seeming problem… or things on Wordpress.
I believe Lemmy needs to work on its federation. It’s ok as a reddit clone, but without a really good reason to be federated other than to be federated. Being implemented as a reddit clone, it also brought with it the social problems of Reddit without too much consideration about the design of social software and trying to correct those problems. A Group Is Its Own Worst Enemy is a good read - https://gwern.net/doc/technology/2005-shirky-agroupisitsownworstenemy.pdf - all the things that Reddit did wrong (and right) are attempting to be repeated here.
I don’t think lemmy is still growing. I might be wrong but this graph https://fedidb.org/current-events/threadiverse
is trending down and i’ve seen a lot of smaller magazines/communities that haven’t had any posts for 1-2weeks by now.
I try to help that problem at little but i doubt lemmy&kbin has >100k active users right now.Lemmy will still be receiving stragglers. E.g. I only signed up yesterday! I only went on Reddit once every few weeks or so, and thus only just found out where my communities had migrated to. I’m sure there are many users like me who haven’t yet followed their communities to their new homes.
They might be using some smoothing, because all lines are noise-free. and the last point might just be an artifact. It looks like a constant growth
According to the graph it accounts for active users within the last 30 days. 30Days ago the reddit strike started and an influx of people started posting. I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of people haven’t been here since. There was a lot of performance and other issues with lemmy&kbin at that time.
There is also always a flurry of people trying out accounts in multiple instances whenever there’s a migration wave, so not only are we seeing people who dipped a toe in only to leave, or go back to Reddit, but we’re seeing the effect of people understanding how the ecosystem works better and settling into a single active account.
Yeah, I’ve been on 3 Lemmy instances and now kbin in like 3 weeks
Finding out kbin let you block a whole instances instead of just communities was enough to warrant a new account
Good point, I have 2 lemmy accounts and 1 kbin
I think it is currently growing, as in more people will visit tomorrow than did today, but also it has shrank since a couple weeks ago when everyone was hyping it up as a reddit alternative and trying it out. Not everyone who came to try it has stayed.
A lot of people just want the endless scroll. No need to comment or post, just consume the posts. They would go back to Reddit for now because Lemmy is not a decade old content machine.
The dip is attributable to kbin which has some weirdness around active user counts, largely because they don’t keep track of them, so I’m not surprised that their numbers might vary somewhat over time.
Otherwise, yea, it’d be accurate to say that the migration wave has come to an end. Mastodon went through multiple waves over the years so we’ll see what happens from here. I for one am rather happy with how lemmy (and kbin) have turned out and am not desperate that a hole bunch more people come over.
My biggest concern is that there isn’t more cross talk between lemmy and mastodon, and that’s because the fediverse is yet to actually do a good job of making the boundaries between platforms thinner. There are many conversations going on in parallel that would be happy to connect but can’t because the fediverse hasn’t worked out a way to make that work well (yet).
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n’tthat there isn’tMy biggest concern isn’t that there isn’t more cross talk between lemmy and mastodon, and that’s because the fediverse is yet to actually do a good job of making the boundaries between platforms thinner. There are many conversations going on in parallel that would be happy to connect but can’t because the fediverse hasn’t worked out a way to make that work well (yet).
I’m unsure how to subscribe to a person who toots on mastodon and have their toots show up as some form of post here.
For example when I’m looking at https://programming.dev/u/mfowler@toot.thoughtworks.com there’s no way to subscribe or follow.
It’s much easier to get Lemmy content on Mastodon than it is to get Mastodon content on Lemmy.
Lemmy has no way to follow a person, so it’s impossible. Not sure where such thing sits on a roadmap or whatever, but I get the impression it isn’t a priority, at all maybe.
Lemmy does federate decently with mastodon though, as you point out, so consuming lemmy content from mastodon can work, but isn’t great. Following a community for instance provides all posts and comments, which quickly becomes a firehose. I imagine most don’t do that for long.
Following lemmy accounts on the other hand, IME, works nicely, as only posts are federated over, which is a much more manageable feed.EDIT: Sorry, this was wrong, comments as well as posts from a specific user do get federated across.And replies all work well too, so once you’ve made contact with a thread on mastodon by replying, it will all behave naturally for the mastodon platform, which is quite nice to see actually.
There’s also kbin, which tries to fuse the two platforms, but even there, you can’t look at a feed of just the people you follow.
I hear that some free third party apps still work, so when all of them finally go down there will probably be another influx of people.
As I type, it says 130k active users (updated hourly)
A one-day minor downtick isn’t a trend when it’s been up day-over-day for a while now. I’m sure the user counts will ebb and flow over time, but as long as the community stays healthy and the big social media companies keep being greedy, I think this platform has a good shot at long-term viability.
Need to wait a bit I guess and look at the trends over a larger period of time instead of more granular time scales.
I think that’s normal. People will try out Lemmy but if they notice that the communities they frequent doesn’t have a lot of content they’ll just leave back to reddit.
We can hope for organic growth but it’ll take a long time (especially with how big reddit is)
And it’s understandable. Reddit had more than 16 years to build up the user base that it now has.
Also years of AITA or relationship_advice content to read when bored. Not to mention loads of amazing askreddit threads you can binge.
Content takes time to create.
I’d be happy enough with just new content TBH. Totally out of the loop on wrestling and movies without Reddit.
Time to go the sources Reddit usually has and post them yourself.
But the entire point of getting the info from Reddit is so I didn’t have to do that. Why watch seven hours of wrestling per week when I could watch two minutes of highlights and read discussions of the events?
I think what you’re seeing is stagnation or downtrends in certain communities, but still growth. As more people come to Lemmy they are finding the instance that works the best for them. lemmy.world has the biggest user base. They will continue to grow while others shrink as people want to be where the action is. This may fluctuate or change in the future.
Do you mean users that don’t understand federation will think they need to be on lemmy.world? My account is not on lemmy.world and I don’t miss out on anything from other instances
How did you get that?! I was simply saying that lemmy world is the biggest instance right now and people naturally click to where more people are. That’s it. Pretty straight forward and simple.
Your comment implied that people would choose an instance based on popularity. I was pointing out that popularity does not correlate with content and community if you are on another fully federated instance.
We have also seen the weaknesses of being on a large instance recently, where lemmy.world issues affected a significant number of users
Bro, it was just my opinion. Calm down. It’s not that deep. Go to reddit if you want to argue.
Yeah, I see the same but the community sprawl was vast there in early June. There appears to be a pretty healthy base forming. Pruning dead communities does need to happen somehow though. A admin tool is gonna need to be likely.
Those were going to leave left by now, but there are several alternatives. Lemmy didn’t take all Reddit refugees.
True but I’ve heard that Discuit and Squabbles are well under 10k users apiece so the majority of refugees came to Lemmy I think. Which makes sense because those alternatives are centralized anyway, so they were never going to solve the problem we were running from.
Yeah, that’s why I ended up here after trying the others.
Squabbles is at 30K and I really enjoy that site, lots of engagement
Ok, I want to say we should get them over to Lemmy, but everything will work itself out in due time. I’m just happy that’s 30k more people who left reddit.
That’s OK. Lemmy doesn’t need to be huge and we have had a lot of apps developed for it and there have been a lot of donations to help the platform grow. I think it is large enough now to survive and will slowly grow over time.
Just wait for the next big Reddit mistake. People will come over to Lemmy again and it will be a better place than last time.
I think people are because of the latest trends in social media thinking that you need to be huge to be successful. While you do need a certain threshold of people, semi-anonymous social media really doesn’t need to be that big. Just big enough to sustain enough little bit niche communities. That doesn’t just need users it needs time. People have this habit of hoping someone else will do the heavy lifting. And while I am not able to mod because IRL, I am still looking into niche communities here to see if I can help in some way as contributor. Just need to get through my imposter syndrome in that I don’t really feel good enough for comment creator.
https://the-federation.info/platform/73 – try this one instead. Click on the major instances and then check “active users this month” or “posts” or “comments” and you’ll see that it’s doing quite well in terms of the content snowball.
Estimated active users is about 70k on Lemmy. Not sure about kbin. However, active on Lemmy means posted or commented, so the lurkers should be higher.
Kbin probably only has around 20k active users, Lemmy has about 70k. And I’m not sure kbin federation is working perfectly either. If you’re looking for more content I’d recommend making a lemmy account, it’s possible that you’re not seeing everything from your kbin account.
I’ve been using the Memmy app and it does a decent job of improving the experience for an Apollo refugee, makes the transition away from Reddit much easier
Go and find about about Voyager! https://vger.app/
So this was wefwef right, before it was rebranded as Voyager? Really impressive for a web app
Memmy is fantastic and the developer pushes updates to TestFlight almost daily.
