BBC Verify has confirmed women and young children were killed when a strike hit their vehicles as they headed away from northern Gaza
Analysis of images from the scene show some of those who died were aged between two and five
Israel has warned 1.1m Palestinians living in north Gaza to evacuate south, and thousands have been fleeing by vehicle or on foot
Will there be proportional outcries for the loss of these civilians by the Israeli apologists?
Of course not.
I'm also sure this will totally not make more terrorists out of the surviving family members…
Video seems to suggest it was a car bomb, so Hamas blowing up their own people.
Again.
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1713201470445609322
EDIT: Does Israel even have munitions that small? It looks like a gas tank exploding not a high explosive.
Upvoted, thanks for keeping me grounded. That's compelling. As much blame as I give Israel in all this I don't see that being an air strike after watching countless videos from Ukraine. I think Israel does have low-yield bombs, considering their "roof knockers," and this could be secondary (eg, someone hauling gas/propane.)
Nevertheless I agree Hamas has more to gain in framing Israel here.
Yea, looking at the video again, I think you may be right. It looks too “Hollywood” with the giant fireball. Maybe just a propane tank exploded igniting the contents of the gas tank. Hamas may not have done anything, heard there was an explosion and blamed Israel when the fault could just be poorly maintained equipment.
So all three of you are more knowledgable about missiles and what they look like in video vs the BBC, who has decades of experience in verifying missile strikes?
Sorry … I'm with the BBC here.
Link to exactly where the BBC calls it an Israeli air strike.
All I’m seeing is “women and children dead in strike” so if you’re seeing it, they walked it back.
At least 12 people, including young children, have been killed after a convoy of vehicles heading toward southern Gaza was hit. The Palestinian Health Ministry has blamed Israel for the attack. The Israel Defense Force (IDF) says it is investigating.
BBC News statement.
the Palestinian Health Ministry is a wing of the hamas organization. of course they're going to say that.
I'll answer your question as soon as you verify your expertise in questioning the BBC calling it a missile strike vs you saying it was a car bomb.
No. You made the claim BBC called it a missile strike. I provided a source (with video) calling it a Vehicle Based Improvised Explosive Device. I don’t need to be the expertise, the OSINT community provided my argument. Provide yours.
Found the Hamas apologist. God damn terrorists and their shitty pr campaigns.
Hamas is killing Gazans whether by force or by the lies they tell them.
This stops when Hamas has been eliminated. The Palestinian people will be free when Hamas is eliminated.
The video is now gone. So what was it?
Look at this
Video released by the Palestinian health ministry shows ambulance crews arriving at the scene of the airstrike.
One ambulance crew came under fire as they were tending to a young girl and a woman inside the ambulance.
CLASSIC ISRAEL. Kill civilians. Shoot at ambulances trying to help civilians, then claim that the Palestinians did it to themselves.
So again we have confirmed video evidence that the ambulance responding to this got hit directly… And I still see people here want to shroud it in mystery and skepticism.
I get it. I'm a skeptic. I understand that it is important to confirm from the Israeli side. However, Israel lies in the media nonstop and then simply gets away with it. It's Israel's claims that need to be confirmed, not the Gazan health ministry. Israel simply brushes it aside and says, "pfff no idea could be Hamas booby traps."
No, Israel, fuck you, explain these dead people now. Fucking explain this.
And why was that ambulance hit? Why have we seen so many videos and images of hit ambulances and news of dead medical staff and Israel won't even give the slightest fuck to inconvenience itself and explain its crimes?
This is why they are so keen to target electricity and journalists. It ensures that the news is dominated by one side of the story.
Well good job proving Hamas right when they said don't evacuate.
But the News is telling me Israel are the good guys and what they're doing is not a war crime.
Show me on the Christianity where it says death to all non-believers…
Sure, it says it right here:
Deuteronomy 13:6-11
6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.
Yeah, but like, show me some real examples in 2023. Because we're looking at a movement in Hamas that literally wants all non-believers executed. Like, show me the equivalent Christian or any other denomination equivalent of what Hamas leadership put out a few days ago. Radical Islam's "take no prisoners" approach to its proliferation is at odds with civilized society. Weapons tech is catching up with this problem though. Going to be an interesting future.
Niiiice you installed the movable goalposts!
Let me be most-clear: crusades are back on the menu and I have non-muslim daughters these savages would just love to rape and torture should they advance their jihad far enough to make it to our soil.
Fuck them all… I'd say bomb them into the stone age but they're already there. Any further questions? These goalposts have been firmly planted for a millenia.
show me on the Christianity where…
Shows
Ok but not like that
Moving goalposts. Pretty clear, and also a pretty disgusting view.
That is the 2023 example, unless the Bible is no longer relevant?
Which sect leader is citing the Bible on record as an excuse to wipe out an entire religion again?
See my other comment. If raping and killing non-muslim babies is their game and I have said non-muslim babies at home, I say wipe them off the fucking planet. Clear enough? A good defense is a good offense. I fully support Israel since apparently that's the only way to save non-muslim children.
Why are you trying to compare it to Christianity at all? They practice Judaism in Israel.
They do WHAT? Those heretics should step on Legos.
First, I think all organized religion is at best regressive, and at worst completely at odds with creating the ideal model for society. This is doubly true for ALL Abrahamic religions including their various sub-divisions or denominations. They all either overlook, condone, or outright support the abhorrent morally bankrupt prescriptions made by their respective holy books and leaders up to and including their "god".
With that being said, let's not act like there is any religion that comes even close to rivaling Christianity for the total amount of violence, war, and collateral damage caused in its name. Let's also not act like there aren't ongoing attempts by Christian Nationalists in the United States to erase the last century of social progress the second they gain any political power.
Ultimately though, what matters in this conversation is that you formulated a premise that I then completely destroyed. So then you decided to shift the conversation, and out yourself as a bigot in the process. If you have legitimate objections against Islam that's one thing, but you're calling for the same kind of violent ethnic cleansing that you think makes Muslim extremists "savages".
So, what does that say about you? It says you are a hypocrite, a moron, and nobody should take you seriously because you care more about acting tough on the internet than coming up with anything of intellectual substance to discuss.
When will world leaders, or "serious" media outlets like the NYT or BBC call this "terrorism"?
Reminder Hamas lied to Gazans and told them the warnings from Israel were fake.
Hamas NEEDS human shields for the pr.
This is the pr. The blood of those people are on Hamas' hands. They don't care about civilian life.
Israel is not going to stop until Hamas has been eliminated. Hamas is going to kill as many civilians as they possibly can to delay that from happening.
Israel bombed the exit while people were trying to leave and they bombed a civilian convoy while people were trying to leave. They also bombed ambulances that were helping people who got bombed while trying to leave. If Hamas's claim was that Israel would bomb people trying to leave, then that turned out to be the truth and the warnings from Israel really were fake.
The ambulance they bombed was stolen from the kibbutz in Israel. That's more Hamas propaganda.
Can you link me to a verified source on the bombing of the convoy? Haven't seen anything other than Al Jazeera which obviously isn't reliable in this situation.
What are sources that you do trust?
I'm looking for sources that aren't actively funded by supporters of the conflict. Al Jazeera, jpost et al aren't helpful right now.
So no sources, just "trust me bro"?
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First things first. Seems like my comment chain got messed up and I answered you, but whatever.
Next one, GTFO with your ad hominem bro.
Lastly here's a BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67114281.amp link. Is that good enough?
