I want the starfleet unisex dress
It’s the pilot or first episode when you watch it on streaming all remastered and high Def and there’s scenes where they clearly had trouble position the camera to avoid a tv-ma rating, that original outfit was so short. It’s also rough she still had a lot of trauma from basically being used by the industry for sex appeal and noting else. But at least Star Trek had men in the background in the same length mini skirt.
Didn’t they revamp the uniforms after season one because they were horribly uncomfortable?
IIRC from interviews that the uniforms remained generally uncomfortable. They were very stiff, and led to the famous “Picard Maneuver.” Sirtis’ uniform was changed to get rid of the dated “Cosmic Cheerleader” outfit. IMO her character’s early uniform was more in line with ToS’s making women on the Enterprise more “hot chick” than officer.
See what I had for breakfast
…tell me more
Taco Bell
I had a protein bar
I love Marina but her character was so poorly written that Guinom (Goldberg’s character) did Troi’s job as counselor better than Troi ever could. Poor woman’s entire role in the show was to be tortured and objectified while her character primary love interest shagged his way across the galaxy, Crusher probably got an award for her work during all his alien STDs.
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Possibly her best scene was in Enterprise, where during an appointment with Data you see that her PADD says “top beach destinations”.
Problem is this is partially Marina’s fault. From her own reaccounting; it was basically her first job. The writers would go to the other actors and ask what they’d like to do in a given episode, or how they’d react to something, basically making the actors part of the script creation.
But Marina told the writers “uh, I don’t know. Write me something. That’s your job, isn’t it?”
By the time she realised she had the power to actually make her character her own, it was already several seasons into TNG and far too late to actually change anything. The writers had long since stopped trying to include her in the writing process.
Hmm… I’ll try and find a clip of where she told this story…
To be fair tho, Gates told the writers a lot of things and got her ass fired as a result.
Yeah she had a lot more demand as a perform because she only worked theater beforehand and she knew what her worth was, and people tend to hate that. Shatner did a pretty good BTS doc on TNG and the kind of weird power plays that went on that even Patrick Stewart was occasionally the target of. This period of TV production was a real high pressure environment and people had careers given and broken over pretty minor shit.
Yeah. That sucked.
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What’s going on here?
Typo. Shite. ^^;
I love her. She’s the queen of TMI during Q&A’s. Like when she casually dropped that before she met her now husband, she “slept” with just about every single guest star. What a legend.
“Not just the men, but the women and…”
SHUT UP WESLEY
Wesley: “Did he just tell me to shut up?”
Dr. Crusher: “Shut up Wesley.”
He just saw what she had for breakfast.
I think it’s safe to say that Gene liked miniskirts.
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Guest star. So william didnt get any.
Thomas however…
Does “slept” have yet another meaning, or were they all just playing make-believe?
In many English speaking places, “slept with” is an old euphemism for sex.
I always assumed it was because the couple stereotypically spent the night together and This way you can supposedly “preserve the innocence” of people who don’t know.
Yes, that’s one of the already-existing meanings I alluded to in my comment. It’s also never written with quotation marks.
So what’s your point and how did you meaningfully contribute to the conversation by essentially asking what it means to sleep with someone and then saying you know what it means to sleep with someone, while somehow having an undeserved air of superiority?
They’re being a bit prickly about it, but using quotes like that certainly implied to me as reader that it was meaning a suggestive usage, which doesn’t make sense since the plaintext version already means fucking. I mean I understood their meaning and realized they were just unnecessary quotation marks quickly, but I also at first wondered if there was some sort of third meaning beyond rest or sex that was being suggested by the marks, so I kind of feel like the reaction to them here is a bit overblown.
I was starting to forget why I have you tagged “Insufferable Pedant” in Voyager. Thanks for the refresher.
I never use the tag. Anyone annoying enough that I want to remember not to engage with them, I just default to blocking. Do they post good content or something?
They’re just unintentionally funny. I also block most, but instead keep this one and a few others tagged for amusement.
Edit: also for watching their cumulative vote score build over time. They’re at -20 as of today.
Sometimes I want to see others give them shit in the answers. If I block them, those are gone as well.
Yeah, how dare I ask for clarification.
Haha, okay. DARVO much?
Sure, Jan.
Yeah would be better if she just said she fucked everyone, damn people these days with their lack of clarity. Argh!
never
Sorry, I’m confused. Weren’t we talking about human language here, or are you using “never” figuratively?
(The quotation marks here are referring to acual quotation of the word you used, not a standard feature of the way the word is normally written or an indicator of some alternate meaning. I’m spelling this out because just in case you’re unaware of that usage of quotation marks, which frequently occurs in the context of quoting someone. Unless you’re literally asserting that the word “slept” is never quoted, “never” is a strong word to use.)
Based Jellico.
I’ve seen so many meme edits of this scene that I was waiting for the reveal, lol.
😆 🤣
Aw, he should have let her keep that one!
Yes, and the moment Diana walked onto the bridge with a medical uniform on she instantly became a lot more hot.
The weird, tacky, revealing clothes she wore on duty were a lot more off putting.
I remember being a bit confused about why everyone other than her had to wear a uniform but she could wear “what she wanted”.
Never would have guessed it was Star Trek producers demonstrating very non-Star Trek traits.
I still love how Jellico’s changes were all just stealth excuses for cast requests.
That being said, a four shift rotation is absurd.
They had to give Riker a reason to hate his guts to hell and back. And forcing him to organize and force his staff to do four shift rotations with no justification was pretty brilliant as a motivation.
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“Dress was so short that you could see what I had for breakfast” is such an amazing turn of words
Carrie Fisher said of the slave Leia bikini that, because it was rigid, while she was laying against Jabba it rode forward and anyone standing behind her could see “all the way to China.” and she opined that’s why the actor playing Boba Fett preferred standing back there.
" All the way to Alderaan"
Butta Fett
I’m immediately imagining the South Park episode where Paris Hilton sits on the pineapple.
Captain Jellico’s “put on a real uniform” command was written in at Marina’s request.
Smart move. Even by 1989’s standards and fashions, some of the costumes they put her in were hideous.
It may be an unpopular opinion, but I think she looked way cooler in uniform.
It’s a popular opinion. She looks WAY better. Hotter, too, which shows how dumb Berman is.
Agreed, the ‘sexy’ outfits were pretty dumb.
Way cooler, and way more hot. Her “regular” clothes are tacky and off putting.
Rehabilitated!
I was just thinking about Troi’s season 1 jumpsuit. She wore the “skant” for one episode, then that blue-grey loose fitting jumpsuit with the ruched waist sash for the rest of season one, then the mauve catsuit. That jumpsuit was made of denim, it was honestly the most modest things he wore. We’d call Yar’s clingy spandex outfit the scandalous one if it weren’t what all the men were also unironically wearing.
I’m quite fond of the long dress she got for one season. I’m sure it was hell as a costume, but I thought it looked tasteful. I also have the idea that the psychological/psychiatric lead on the ship ought to look somewhat “different” when she’s working. Her uniform should be more casual, because her role is one where you want people to be able to get away from the structure, and to trust her confidentiality. The catsuits were dumb, and the Farpoint / S1 miniskirt was scandalous. but I did like the full-length dress.
Pretty much every “show off the attractive female main character” outfit that they’ve invented for Trek has not worked for me. Troi’s outfits, Seven’s outfits, T’pol’s outfits… I think that actually the only exception is the Farpoint miniskirt and even then it just looks attractive but I don’t like what it meant for Troi’s brains so all things being equal I actually like her the most in the standard uniform jumpsuit which is, quite frankly, already designed to make people look good.
Now that we’re decades away from the show and everybody involved has been interviewed a bunch of times, what I actually wish we could have seen was Troi as the diplomatic counselor instead of the vague psychological lead / poorly utilized character that we got. Because if she was the ship’s therapist the long dress would work because it is tasteful and different yet still professional, but then we’d not be seeing her on the bridge the way we did.
I’ve posted this before.
My head canon is that when a new civilization joins the Federation, they get to pick the new Starfleet uniforms. The Betazeds gave us the TOS miniskirts.
I approve.
You’re a better man (I assume) than me. My young self very much appreciated Sevens outfit back in the day. Although I have to admit, the episode where she travels back in time to the Voyager in dry dock and wears the science uniform plus a ponytail was also a great look for her.
I don’t think I’d categorize that as “better” just pickier about wardrobe?
Then again, at least later on in life I’m a boudoir and fine art photographer so all of that concentrated miniskirt vs catsuit energy went somewhere more positive than … wherever Berman went with it, LOL.
That’s a low bar if I’ve ever seen one :D
As a female friend pointed out to me: “and you never see her panty line.”
“Gene Roddenberry’s vision” was usually an upskirt shot.
Which wasn’t helped by Berman.
Oh the short skirts were 100% Gene. Rick is the one with the catsuit fetish. He was the one who decided to shrink wrap Jeri Ryan.
Yeah. You might have been able to see what Marina was eating for lunch, but she and Denise Crosby didn’t need rescue oxygen.
God I remember reruns of TOS on G4 where they would have like a side panel with counters for things that happened in the episode. “Spock says illogical” “Uhura panty shot”
I guess the one thing we “missed out on” (I say this sarcastically) is that the teardowns of screen-worn skants indicate that there’s kind of a half-underwear thing there.
The way that the TOS uniforms “worked” is that they seem to have just declared the Space Cheerleader Shorts as clothing instead of just underwear in much the same way that actual cheerleaders have and therefore it’s totally OK for the ladies to kick or crawl around in such a way to expose the Space Cheerleader Shorts.
And, like … damn, people. I thought that a fanservice-y 90s anime aimed at teenage boys had a lot of upskirt, then I watched TOS reruns.
But, because it was very quickly relegated to background characters only, we’ll never know if the skants were hiding a genuine advance in upskirt technology and only have Marina’s word to go on that they probably … weren’t.
Which, well, I think mostly I just wanted to say “genuine advance in upskirt technology” and so therefore I think it’s OK that the skants didn’t get used more in TNG.
My teenage self had no complaints about Troi’s uniforms.
Tf are you still listening to that hormonal idiot, it’s been over 30 years
I have to listen to my teenage self if I want to have any chance of getting him to listen to me!
None? He lacked inagination!
Oh, she ate pussy for breakfast?
Ahhhh, ok. Now it clicked.
Could be worse.
Even back then I thought she looked like she was freezing.
I mean yeah… It’s cold in space.
There’s no kind of atmosphere 🎶
We’re all alone, more or less
Let me fly, far away from here,
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In fact it’s cold as h*ll
And it’s a long road.
And no underwear
