• Tedesche@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    Here’s a decent article that goes into why Card’s guns weren’t taken from him after it became clear to many people that he was psychiatrically unstable and dangerous. Long story short: the laws were in place, but people didn’t act on them.

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      11 months ago

      the laws were in place, but people didn’t act on them.

      That means the families of the dead can sue the law enforcement and state.

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      11 months ago

      At what point can authorities be held criminally liable for failing to enforce laws that protect people, and as a direct result someone gets killed? We need to be better about holding our institutions accountable.

    • Needs to be taken as serious as a heart attack.

      If you have chest pains at work, they call an ambulance right away. If you’re at work and you talk about violent urges you have with your guns, it needs to be treated as if you’re having a heart attack, as if it’s a matter of life and death.

      • AnarchistArtificer@lemmy.world
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        11 months ago

        This is just needlessly hostile. You seem to dislike America, but imagine if the things that you dislike could change and America could be better. The article linked is a part of the process to understand and hopefully change things so that this kind of awfulness never happens.

        Why be so unkind? You and OP appear to be on the same side, wrt being against gun violence.

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          11 months ago

          That guys account was made yesterday, probably just to troll exactly like this

          Edit: yeah he has 5 comments at this time all of which anti-American kind of content

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    11 months ago

    I know it’s important to get answers to these questions, and I know that there’s a chance something could be learned that might lower the chance of someone losing their mind and hurting other people or themselves. I know that this is the right thing to do and I agree that they should be using the brain to help people.

    But on a more visceral level, I recoil at the thought of any good coming from a mass shooting, especially from the shooter.
    Invoking “the good side” of a mass shooting just feels wrong.
    And again, I don’t disagree with it, but what are the odds that any action will be taken if they do find a link?

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        11 months ago

        It’s easier just to remain a victim than admit you’re a part of the society that has failed so fundamentally to its core.

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      It gives me the ick as well, but I feel that there is always a silver lining to be found even in the worst of circumstances. There’s always something to be learned… still I wish that none of this happened at all. It’s sickening, to be sure

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      1. Gun owners are law abiding citizens.

      2. Until they’re not. But that not the guns fault. And we shouldn’t do anything about people’s access to guns.

      3. Go back to 1.

      • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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        11 months ago

        They banned lawn darts when I was a kid based on the potential for harm.

        The only reason he’s not committing a crime before he starts shooting people is because the gun is legal. You are bootstrapping. You could just as easily outlaw the gun and it would be contraband, and then he would be committing a crime prior to going on a mass murder spree.

        What I’m suggesting is that humans are simply too frail and prone to decompensation and loss of control to let people have whatever weapons of war they want.

        If I had a magic wand I would come up with a formula for lethality that measures stopping power over sustained fire for maybe a minute or two, taking into account the time it takes to reload or change magazines.

        I’m all for self-defense. I could even buy into an interpretation of the Constitution and of natural law for that matter. That gives everyone a right to possess self-defense weapons. If you can’t do the job of self-defense with five or six shots, you got a problem that no gun will solve. Why should society bear the burden and risk of giving you those guns anyway? The risks outweigh the benefits.