Once again I am shocked that you always have these big ass heat exchangers on these data centers but no talk of even trying to use some of the waste heat to offset the power use.
They are wasteful on purpose. they could have closed circuit cooling systems where they condense the water from the vapor and reuse it. But they are a giant middle finger to all of us.
Water is cheaper to waste than electricity unfortunately.
Pretty sure most modern data centers are using closed loop cooling or refrigeration. Not evaporative cooling.
You can’t condense the water either that would defeat the point of evaporating it in the first place. Closed loop liquid cooling does not involve boiling or evaporation. You are just pumping a liquid around a circuit. It’s not just water either it’s more like a car antifreeze.
Just a talking point in an investors report. The more I read on these centers the more I am convinced they are not built to work.
The guy you are replying to doesn’t actually know jack about data centers. Plenty do use closed loop cooling which doesn’t involve evaporating water. It’s only a minority that use evaporative cooling. Power stations are more likely to use evaporative cooling (hence big towers with steam clouds) than datacenters are. They also use far more cooling water than datacenters do. Both pale in comparison to agriculture and other uses.
Phoenix. What are you going to do with it in Phoenix? 24/7 saunas?
Not only that… but Lake Tahoe is being abandoned by their power company to power data centers because its more profitable.
https://fortune.com/2026/05/12/lake-tahoe-data-center-49000-residents-power-source/
Insanity.
Thank you for linking.
How is that even allowed
Free market economy. You could technically do similar with nordpool. Set up a ridiculous power consumer and watch everyone’s prices go up.
I don’t know, but it sets a dangerous precedent.
Its a travesty, but in that case a little more strange. The blame is not just on the power company but also the local government, the company was bought in 2009 and told the community it would be winding down providing power in the area. The local government got a few extensions but now they have “better” customers they are not going to give them any more. So for many years the area knew it had this issue to deal with but like a lot of americans just sat on their asses and said nothing could be done.
As to why this is allowed, simple, it is a power company existing in a system where profit is the sole factor in anything.
2009 was 17 years ago, they had so much time
That’s fucking WILD
(Noun.) (Noun.) ?
You don’t know what a noun is do you?
A Karren has their own special way to do this no matter what.
Well they don’t believe in global warming but perhaps they’ll believe in local warming.
No karen really lives laughs and loves. They brood frown and hate.
“Data centers are inherently an important part of our society, and they’re going to become even more necessary going forward,”
God, fuck this shit
Right?
Like, says who and on what historical basis? People said similar shit about crypto and we all know how that turned out.
You literally are using a data center or several to post this. How do you think the internet works?
Not the same type of data centre.
The majority of datacenters and datacenter power consumption are not for AI. Before AI no one cared about datacenters. Still no one cares about datacenters that already existed and make up the majority of datacenters. I don’t understand it. Is this just manufactured outrage?
C’mon bro put 2 and 2 together, you can do it
Please don’t be obtuse on purpose. It’s not helpful to anyone
How is this being obtuse?
Disingenuous
You literally are using a data center or several to post this. How do you think the internet works?
At some point, people need to find ways to cancel these things.
It’s funny how the last decade or so we were always told to save water and ditch the car, you know, be as environmentally friendly as possible only for big companies to come along and basically do the opposite; again and again.
The world is going to shit and everyone knows it, but money talks I guess… I can’t fucking take it anymore.
These people that make these decisions have names and addresses.
Every state has a website like this one: https://sos.oregon.gov/business/Pages/find.aspx
And for the low low price of free, you will know their business address, their mailing address, and the personal address of the most important people in any company you look up.
I do not support doxxing of residents and civilians, but lets be real here. Wealthy corps and wealthy people are in charge. People.
Those aren’t the same people. More often than not, the people who fuck the environment the most, tend to finance parties that want to end any environmental protection.
Data centers have tons of precious metals like copper and such
Just sayin
And they have tons of RAM and SSDs.
The unceasing demonic entities do not have a soul. It is folly to attribute human emotions such as the survival of the human race to a destruction wraith as if it had any other drive than the gluttonous desperate need for growth we have all assigned and written contracts with them, while pretending we have no individual choice. There are so many alternate governments beside rampant hypercapitalist greed slaughter mode that could give humans some power over the immortal global hatemachines that are burying our race as a game. But what do I know, it is normalized by usa to let engines of hell have lifeblood lawyers lobby and extract any value from all corners of society because of “growth”. I think every human knows the difference in their bones, between prosperity and growth. Yet some humans even has as their jobs to try to trick in any way possible the targets they only want prosperity. When they know its growth, its goal is to grow and consume us entirely. Then when we have been eradicated, I guess they will just wither away not even caring who won any more. It’s disgusting to think about. The lobbying lawyer servants that makes sure they are unstoppable by their masters exponential obliteration march. I think it is vile that you allow these hungering spectres prey on the world under the guise of prosperity. Hypercapitalism is an extremist and occult form of government. You don’t even seem to react to the political jesters dance. Entranced by their games? By the allure of their lies? Bleh. It is easy to mistake prosperity for growth. I understand. But now you know. One is poison.
It’s your country’s fault for voting for the political party that doesn’t believe in science.
The democrats love ai too
The tech oligarchs sided with the magats because the Democrats said they were going to treat AI like the Manhattan project, for safety. One of the biggest reasons the US election cycle went the way it did was because the Democrats said they weren’t going to allow this.
Don’t drag Germany into this…
Actually, do whatever to Germany I don’t really care
Germany seems fine on some level, at least you don’t have a wannabe dictator. What concerns me is that the cold war border is still very visible on political maps.
Worse. The Neo Nazis are winning in the Commie heartland.
In America both parties are shit and they have some people that aspire to some kinds of genocide fascist that I don’t support. In my country(Poland) there are more parties, but each one have at least one politician that aspire to genocide.
Even when two sides are bad, one is always worse than the other
Who the fuck builds a data center in Phoenix?! Was the surface of the sun not available?
They don’t give a fuck about us. Phoenix likely gave tax breaks, energy deals etc
Seems hard to believe that those would outweigh the like 30 degree average temperature difference of building it some place like Glasgow Montana.
The cooling water evaporates real nice in the desert tho
I didn’t think about evaporative cooling for some reason, how much water will that use?
They raised the surrounding temperature in fucking Phoenix Arizona? A place already so hot that it can kill you within hours. we’re so fucked.
I refuse to convert from farenheit so just reject the data instead.
You sound like a reverse American
No one in Phoenix will notice. If you’ve stuck around in Phoenix this long you’ve managed to stop caring about temperatures not fit for human life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PYt0SDnrBE
Bobby: A hundred and eleven degrees? Phoenix can’t really be that hot, can it?
The family exits the car
Bobby: Oh my God! It’s like standing on the sun!
Peggy: This city should not exist. It is a monument to man’s arrogance!
EDIT: (For non-Americans, 111°F is about 44°C.)
But you will notice the lack of water…
Eventually. Maybe sooner than we think.
Phoenix has been insisting there’s 100+ years of water under the mountains, etc. for decades. But every time there’s been any sort of effort to verify, it gets killed either by the government or courts on various ways.
Phoenix also loves to concrete over absolutely every open area, removing natural heat sinks into the ground. It’s one of the big reasons the Phoenix area is as hot as it is and maintains that heat overnight instead of actually cooling a bit like other cities in the Sonoran Desert region.
Nothing better than a concrete/asphalt desert in the middle of the summer with zero shade.
Tucson here: I thought I’d like to move to Phoenix for the big city convinces. After staying overnight at a friend’s house, I can solidly say that the difference in the summer is insane. It’s a whole new level of heat. It’s doable, but shit, it’s not a joke if you’re unprepared.
The heat island effect is not an exaggeration. The lows in Phoenix in the summer are higher than the highs in even warm climate cities.
Yeah Tucson has a lot of blank spaces spread throughout the city when you actually get down to the street level. Lots of open areas for the heat to be absorbed by the earth rather than just getting trapped in concrete and asphalt everywhere.
I really don’t get that. Every desert I’ve lived in, as soon as the sun went down the temperature dropped like ten, maybe twenty frankfurters. Phoenix just stays hot and that definitely seems engineered
Yeah that’s what deserts do.
But Phoenix isn’t a desert anymore, it’s a big concrete pad that works just like any rock you put into a hot space… it absorbs heat through the day then radiates it back out once the sun is down. They replaced the desert but didn’t leave holes for it to still work the same.
Maybe. I assume they’ve all evolved into lizard-people by now.
Already a lack of thar.
I stay here because I have family here. I hate the weather with a passion. Let’s not make it even worse.
Clearly those data centers aren’t using enough fire. We should donate more fire to them.
The republicans are also gutting our national parks and selling them off.
Big cuts and sweeping changes have destabilized the National Park Service and its core missions.
National parks facing ‘nightmare’ under Trump, warns ex-director of service
Jonathan Jarvis claimed the agency is now in the hands of a “bunch of ideologues” who would have no issue watching it “go down in flames” – and see parks from Yellowstone to Yosemite as potential “cash cows”, ripe for privatization.
I’ll never forgive NPS leadership, the pace at which they moved to follow illegal orders was astounding. HR moved faster than ever before to hire people when they are the ones that know best how to slow things down.
Not a single person in a position of power pushed back in anyway way. I’m not even talking about defying orders here. They didn’t even use existing policy to slow things down. There are mechanisms and choices that could have been made, but they didn’t do it.
Not a single person in a position of power
I agree with you, but I think it’s important to point out that the people in power from his first term and now, are trump sychophants or direct placements by republicans. They didn’t do anything because they didn’t want to.
Not true, he appointed the Secretary (who also appoints the Director) yes but truthfully they do basically none of the work. The non-political civilian service employees do the work. Think regional directors (not politically appointed), heads of regional HR, and park superintendents.
These people had the ability to slow things down, and they chose not to. At best a few people resigned and interim leadership stepped in to carry out orders. These interim leaders were already NPS employees various Chiefs and Deputies of different branches (regional and parks).
These are people that have been in the park service 20+ years. Hell I saw a few of them break down and cry, and yet they kept the agendas rolling.
Policy alone lets you take 3 sick days in a row with no doctors note. At least do that much to slow it down
I hope whoever is in office next is absolutely cutthroat about demagafication and goes after every company and individual profiting off of this with the full fury of RICO and anti-trust laws to reclaim America’s national parks.
In that case, could you put them in Minneapolis and run them in like January?
I used to live there, and during the winters it can get brutal. During one of those polar vortexes is the first time I ever saw an air temperature of negative 50 with a wind chill of negative 70.
You could put them in Canada way the fuck up north (good luck connecting them) right next to almost unlimited hydro power and it would still be silly.
Keep in mind heating of this magnitude is going to be bad in any place it is put. The fact they seem to put them in places like this tells me they don’t care about these centers actually working efficiently, just that they exist for an investor report.
Power is more expensive than water. So they use evaporative cooling in an arid climate.
As a bonus, solar should be plentiful there so the price they end up paying for electricity from the grid might be cheaper too?
Eh, Minneapolis gets cold, but it doesn’t quite get that cold. The record low was -34 degrees F (-37C). We do regularly hit -20F, but we haven’t hit -30 since 1996.
Nitpicking aside, I agree that the winters can get brutal.
I remember it got cold enough during that winter polar vortex thing that the power company was asking people to keep their homes at like 60 so that we didn’t overload the power grid and gas pressure. I want to say that was like 2016 or something when I used to live there.
Weak ass infrastructure. I live in an area that gets to be -50 (C but at that point does not really matter) almost every year and don’t have those sort of issues. (well yet as we seem to be poisoned by your stupid us thinking of cut every corner)
Nah we dont want them either. I don’t want my electricity prices to skyrocket more than they already have.
Yeah, fair enough.
On the plus side when it is 120F there you won’t notice.
