• rayyy@piefed.social
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    35 分钟前

    Sixty years ago you could graduate from high school, get a job, buy a car, get married, buy a house, buy a boat and raise kids all on one salary. People had a future to look forward to then.

  • shittydwarf@piefed.ca
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    10 小时前

    And we can get all these things by eliminating billionaires (And a trillionaire) from the population

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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      Very hard to talk about “lessening crime” when you breeze by wage theft, land theft, and war crimes.

      Like, I want to believe OP’s message, but I don’t think the problem ICE Agents are having right now is poverty wages. I don’t think the local PD out roughing up the homeless are lacking for health care or homes or strong unions. The suffocating waves of pipelines and highways and data centers that force people out of their homes aren’t being built because their investors lacked the amenities of a first class upbringing.

      We have to clarify what kind of crimes we’re preventing. Nothing in OP’s list puts Jeff Bezos or Mark Zuckerberg off their bullshit.

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        9 小时前

        You’re not directly wrong, but the theoretical, philosophical, answer is that the social will that allows ICE to operate, or cops to thug about, is that people feel that there is dangerous lawlessness out there, and the only way to solve it is strong force. And sometimes a few eggs need to get cracked, but it’s okay because they deserved it.

        So none of the things listed here prevent ICE, but ICE is powered by fear of “the criminals”, and if we solve the “criminal problem” with real solutions, suddenly it gets a lot harder to motive a brute squad when everyone is fine actually. And I don’t mean “the officers are fine” or “the would-be victims are fine”, I mean the random citizens sitting at home, already feeling secured without the police force in military gear.

        And I mean maybe at least some of the shitty dudes are there due to broken homes fractured by substance abuse or financial stresses, or are themselves victims of fetal alcohol syndrome or something, which could possibly be lessened with tighter social circles and safety nets.

        As you your other point, unions specifically address wage theft and would impact Bezos for sure. At least assuming “theoretically ideal” unions.

    • plyth@feddit.org
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      7 小时前

      And we can get all these things by eliminating billionaires

      We can’t. Those things have to be organised and we could organise them right now.

      The problem are not the billionaires but the lack of organisation of the people.

    • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Considering how much the far-right culture-war propaganda machine dominates social media and mainstream television, I’m terrified that it works too well, and enough of the lumpenproletariat will suffer misery blindly so long as alleged enemies are made to suffer more.

      I hope we’re better than that, or can crack the code (or young people who grow up with it are more immune – that is the case with general advertising). Otherwise it speaks to a horrible future for humanity.

  • Uranus_Hz@lemmy.zip
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    Capitalism depends on an “every man for himself” savage mentality to thrive. The capitalist’s (i.e. the people with capital - the Epstein class/Oligarchs/Aristocracy) reap the benefits.

    So poverty and crime are a needed part of the system.