All the self righteousness of lemmy is strange.
There’s not just better opinions, even small decisions are morally imbued and if someone steps out of line…
Wait, does using sync cause hurricanes? Earthquakes? Will the four big ponies of the lempocalypse arrive and snort angrily?
Otherwise, I get that a surge of people elated they have something you don’t/can’t have is off putting. FOMO is real.
But it doesn’t need all the meme-shade.
I think this is just a reaction to the massive amount of hype we all saw yesterday.
It’s a good app, but it’s expensive, potentially collects your data and shares it with advertisers, and it’s closed source. That’s the facts of the matter so far as I can tell…
The are pros and cons here, obviously, but it’s neither objectively positive or negative. With the pricetag comes unique features, like being able to tag people with notes. That’s neat!
Wat?
Apt name.
My post had 3 downvotes (meh), so I’m taking that to mean it made sense.
What part of it didn’t make sense to you? The part where I indicate you’re playing innocent while throwing shade? People can see your post history.
Yeah, but people aren’t as creepy as you, crawling around others post history and posting irrelevant reply.
Ohh and i don’t care about downvote, this isn’t reddit anymore, time to grow up. So what if i’m throwing shade? The app isn’t worth the price, it’s too expensive, i talk about it, so what?
Why is looking at someone’s post history creepy? That’s something somebody would say who’s worried about their previous posts
You do you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Damn bro, did you wake up on the wrong side?
Cool story bro then dont buy it. I think it is worth it and bought a lifetime sub.
If you like other apps or want to use a free app or an open source app then more power to you. But throwing Sade on an app that someone bent over backwards to make for lemmy in a short amount of time for no other reason than because you are being entitled come off as dick ish to say the least.
He worked hard on the app. And the community asked him to do it and he made it in short order and needs to live off it. You dont like it or think its to expensive then That’s cool dont buy it. But going out of your way to slag it… fuck that.
Apparently saying an app is expensive and i’d rather have the alternative one is considered dick-ish.
Lj is cool in my book, i don’t agree with the price, but man the fanboi surrounding him and blow smoke up his ass is truly special one.
Ohh and i don’t care about downvote, this isn’t reddit anymore, time to grow up.
Finding out who you’re talking to is actually… kind of a lot more mature than, “Wat?”
HAHAHHAHA
Great joke, but okay. “Wat” because your original comment is so out of touch and so one-sided.
I haven’t seen 1 person tell someone that they should get Sync and act like it’s a moral obligation to do that one thing.
I’ve seen people say they’ve felt that they felt happy or obliged to support the dev, but that’s not the same.
What I have seen on Lemmy, repeatedly, is stunted little “adults” waltzing around moralizing about things that they feel they should feel about.
It’s like watching left leaning fundies worry about “the wrong gender” using a restroom. It’s just not something worth spending hours telling people they’re doing it wrong.
It is, however, worth telling the arbitrary gatekeepers that they’re not going to be successful.
To return to point: I’m not hung up on downvotes, but they are an objective metric. That comment of mine got 3 downvotes. 3. That’s not in anyway indicative of a lack of cogency or being in left field.
Bro, you make lemmy look like the average IQ can only go up. As can the discourse.
I haven’t seen 1 person tell someone that they should get Sync and act like it’s a moral obligation to do that one thing.
What I have seen on Lemmy, repeatedly, is stunted little “adults” waltzing around moralizing about things that they feel they should feel about.
I sure doesn’t see anyone moralizing this stuff. If calling stuff expensive with no regional pricing is “moralizing” the thing, then ohh boy i feels like your last line is actually talking about yourself.
In fact i feels like your whole talking point can be apply to yourself lol.
Voyager is free and the pwa feels close to a native app.
Voyager just started their TestFlight app version a few days ago and it’s really great (on iOS.) It added haptic feedback which is very nice, and fixes the freezing issue. Otherwise it’s identical, I think. I’d guess there will be an android app sometime.
I’m also testing Memmy and using Mlem - both are coming along great, but Voyager app version is the cleanest and my favorite atm.
Looking forward to trying Sync when it comes to iOS. Never tried it for Reddit - only used Apollo.
Looking forward to trying Sync when it comes to iOS
I can’t tell if you’re being serious or not…
I was just trying to be nice to the dev and fans tbh. I went straight to Apollo when the official app started burning up my phone years ago and never looked back, or at other apps. I had no idea Sync was never on iOS. 🤷🏻♂️ But if it ever is, I’d try it.
There was an iOS version of Sync, but it was on TestFlight for years with no actual release. It was also developed by a different person.
Yeah, it’s not the same. That seems just like plain stealing at that point. LJ wouldn’t do something like that after spending a decade or more working on sync.
Voyager is indeed great, especially now that it has a native version.
However, I’d be really surprised if an iOS version of Sync for Lemmy came out. The Reddit version was developed for iOS by a different person and was in a preliminary stage for years. A production-ready release never actually came out.
I wish they also provided a way to disable haptic feedback. It’s annoying when I’m up late upvoting dank memes while my wife is sleeping
I think it’s very noble of you to upvote dank memes. You can show this comment to your wife: Fluxion is awesome and deserves to upvote dank memes whenever they please. This is the way.
I used Voyager since it was wefwef. Sync has far more customization. Like multitudes more.
How can I get it on Testflight? I am using Mlem currently and tried Memmy a bit. For now I look at Mlem as my Lemmy-app, because the comments are well formatted compared to Memmy, but Memmy is Open Source and has definetly the the better Icon. Yes, such things are important for me, too.
Voyager TestFlight link: https://testflight.apple.com/join/nWLw1MBM
I joined early on, so it may be full like they often are. If it is, bookmark and keep checking - especially during off hours.
Thx, I got it. (:
I quite like Voyager. Works really well
Voyager has an app that respects navigation panes, UI refreshes and haptic system gestures now, so all those “but it doesn’t FEEL native” complaints have been put to the ground to begin with.
And if you’re on Android, the free apps that fully function are…
Liftoff (amazing)
Thunder (amazing)
Connect (great, but not sure if it’s open source?)
Summit
Nemmy
Beyond (tried it and didn’t like that it defaults to Lemmy.ml)
Lemmitof (haven’t tried yet)
There’s acyually an APK version for android as well of Voyager.
Are you sure it’s legit? From a quick look at the official GitHub repo’s README, I saw no mention of a native Android app (however I did see mention of the iOS app).
EDIT: dug a little deeper and saw mention of the Android app in the latest release notes (beta coming soon to the play store) as well as an empty Android studio project folder in the source. Maybe the actual code is somewhere on a different branch, but even so, I would be hesitant to install random APKs not coming from the developer themself.
Here it is on the google play store: https://lemmy.world/post/2613340
Damn, the Voyager dev works fast! Thanks for the link.
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Fuck PWA. I want a native, fast app with no JavaScript.
It’s fast and it’s about as native as most apps get nowadays. Kotlin on Android or Swift on iOS still run in virtual machines with GC not unlike Javascript. Nobody writes apps in C++ either. Maybe one day we will do it in Rust when there’s ever a good mobile GUI framework.
Also by fast I do mean fast. Much better than any other PWA or website I’ve ever used and on par with good native apps. There do be some bugs, I’ve run into two and they’re a bit annoying, but I’m sure they’ll be fixed soon enough. The dev is super active and it’s open source so anyone can contribute.
Much of the time you can’t really tell it’s not Apollo and that was the best reddit app hands down.
I do have a recent iPhone though. Maybe an older or lower end phone won’t be as fast. But even so, I would still recommend trying it.
Your argument for "as native as most apps” falls apart pretty quickly though.
I’m not saying it’s a bad app. I’m just saying it’s a badly made app, because JavaScript was a joke 30 years ago, it’s a joke today. (ThePrimeagen)
Most apps aren’t native, so being “as native” as the baseline average or better isn’t even saying much at all. They’re all using V8, and I’m slightly less disgruntled if they use something like React Native or whatever instead of Vue and virtual DOM stuff. This was brief but you get the idea.
Also, Xamarin and Flutter/Skia do exist.
React native, Xamarin, Flutter aren’t REALLY native either. Neither are, like I said, the main languages either mobile platform’s owner wants you to use.
Mobile apps are rarely native for real these days.
Voyager uses React so it uses the Virtual DOM much like Vue (which often tends to be faster) or React Native. I can’t see how using React Native instead of React like you suggested is all that much better. It’s all the same shit.
You want native, there’s Dioxus for Rust or I guess QT for C++. Those will compile into actual binaries rather than some sort of bytecode running in an interpreter. But these take much more time to write complex apps in and in a world where we want all our apps to be free, they’re hard to justify.
It’s interesting you quote ThePrimeagen about Javascript, because it’s literally the main language he uses/used at Netflix and he often says it’s not a bad language. He’s got a workshop on Javascript coming in November.
I hate the language as much as any and have avoided using it professionally, but your arguments are pretty weak. Modern Javascript engines are ridiculously fast, which is why a WELL MADE web app can be much faster than a shoddily made “native” app.
Edit: It’s now available on the app store, making it native by your definition. Which is to say it has direct access to some system APIs, but it still renders a vDOM like any other react native app.
Yeah i’m using pwa, and currently testing Thunder, liking it so far. Still not a good replacement if i want to do mod/admin work.
Will totally buy Sync ultra despite the bitching, but until it has mod tools and community browsing, amongst a list of missing feature found in the web app, i can’t justify the spending.
The instance I’m on has a beta of an interface called “photon” that looks very similar to Sync’s cards view.
Just paying a visit to lemmy because Sync is out, and all I’ve seen is this. Lemmy is just another reddit, isn’t it? People here are no better like what they believe themselves to be, still the same everywhere.
I’ll have you know real Lemmy users don’t use any app, we tap HTTPS requests in binary directly onto an Ethernet cable, computing the TLS handshake mentally.
That’s so lame. I use morse code over a manual, human-translated, secure wire.
God you guys are such losers. I use semaphore shown to a string of orphans dotted along the hillocks of every country.
Really? That’s basic. I go uphill both ways to reach the Lemming that holds all info.
I am visualizing this as a cartoon and laughing my ass off. Thanks.
Based rainman lemming.
BNC not RJ45, obviously. We’re not children.
You are correct, people here are just as braindead as reddit. They have that superiority complex going on too, it’s pretty funny.
Its not about the app for me (although the clean interface is appreciated) just the users it’ll bring with it. I like the ratio of tech literate people on Lemmy but more users means more abundant niche communities, and that was the best part of reddit for me
Yep, it’s literally just another Reddit. The main benefit is that it’s decentralized so it’s not under the control of a single corporation, but yeah, it’s mainly ex redditors on a service designed to be an alternative to Reddit
I hope that the lame jokes that were recycled for well over a year stay there, though. Certain repeated jokes were becoming just as annoying as ads.
Those “jokes” actually caused me to start blocking people, and I’ll do it again if I have to lol. It was like reading the same comment over and over again, which got pretty boring.
Well so far everything on lemmy has run on the goodwill of instance owners, lemmy maintainers, and app developers working for free. Sync as far I can tell is the only thing so far to bring an openly capitalist approach to lemmy, and it depends on the free hosting that instance owners are providing. I don’t have any problems with people wanting paid for their work. However, I can see how it’s a little jarring to see an app charge such a subscription fee while some big instances are struggling with hosting costs and likely pulling in much less in donations.
So much this.
I’d rather give the 20$ to my fav instances, than to an optional app.Sync as far I can tell is the only thing so far to bring an openly capitalist approach to lemmy
Sync’s pricing is inherently socialist. LJ owns his own labor and is able to decide what is done with it. If you don’t want to pay then cool, there are plenty of other options.
It’s also inherently capitalist. Maybe profiteering would’ve been a better word? As I stated above, I have no problem with people getting paid for their work. He can charge whatever the hell he wants.
Idk, LJ doesn’t have a boss that takes a portion of the profits he generates. Extraction of surplus labor is the cornerstone of capitalism. But this isn’t really the place to get into a deep discussion about regardless. I don’t think it’s profiteering either to charge an amount that provides you with a living wage. Sync for reddit had orders of magnitude more users than the Lemmy version so of course he’ll need to charge more on Lemmy to keep doing it full time.
I don’t know what to think about post-scarcity commodities.
This probably speaks a bit to the fact that reddit in itself was nothing special, and the people were making it what that is and what it ain’t was before it could be.
People moved here, so we’re seeing that here now. Reddit was a loss in the same way your favourite pub closing down was - ye had to find a new place.
Now, erm, clears throat… This is the way.
Yeah the majority of people, like myself, came here after leaving reddit so it’s not surprising. Some instances are already speed-running the censorship and mod abuse too. The lemmy.world admins decided to pre-emptively defederate from another instance purely based on the admins own ideological stance. Can’t possibly stand the thought of having people that have different political views than you being able to share those views, oh no. Gotta shut that down before it even starts. And remember - these are the people that call the other people fascists.
thing is, defederating doesn’t silence anyone. the info is still there, anyone can access it or contribute to it, and plenty of other instances are still federated with them. it’s not censorship, it’s just choosing who you carry water for.
Lemmy looks more and more like reddit everyday. It was nice while it lasted, but confidently incorrect jerks like you who don’t even get the point of decentralised platforms are going to ruin it.
What did I say that was confidently incorrect exactly?
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Each instance has their own admins so this isn’t true.
Lemmy is in fact just another link aggregator, albeit a better one, and the app build for it is trying too hard to be reddit, with no feature that’s closer to lemmy than reddit. So yes lemmy is reddit.
I’m just happy we have all of these choices.
The FOSS apps are fantastic already and Sync is there if you want that too.
Based neutral take
Yeah let’s just support Lemmy developers maybe?
Supporting your app dev, lemmy devs, and your instance owner are all good.
Obviously, don’t stretch yourself too thin out of obligation either.
Not a big fan of the price, but it’s free to use if you want and the app is amazingly smooth.
Also, if you decide to use this app for many years, the one time payment isn’t that bad at all.
Isn’t it a yearly subscription?
The $20 one-time fee is to remove ads from the “standard” app.
The subscription pricing is for Sync Ultra, which has Cloud backup for settings and some more advanced features in addition to no ads.
There’s a one time $20 fee to remove ads. There’s also a thing for increased functionality that’s separate and includes removing ads using a monthly or an annual subscription option, and there’s also a lifetime option. I opted for the lifetime one at $100 because I figure I’ll be using it for a few years, I’m happy to support the dev, and I really want all the bells and whistles.
For whatever reason I can’t find the 20 option to remove ads. Any chance you can point me to it?
Edit: nvm, just had to update the app.
At this point there are multiple updates per day during the beta period. I expect that will settle down once things stabilize, but for now it’s definitely prudent to keep checking for updates.
More power to you if that’s how you feel, but I can’t imagine paying $100 for a mobile app. I won’t even pay $100 for a video game that I will put a thousand hours into, let alone an app to read content from a site.
There’s a one time payment for ad free. The subscription is for ultra which is ad free plus a bunch of power user type shit that I don’t personally have a use for.
but it’s free to use if you want
If you’re ok seeing ads on a platform that doesn’t have ads.
Jesus Christ guys, there’s like one inline ad every 30 posts. Quit bitching
black square with ad blockers. still i don’t like these black squares
I don’t get black squares, all I see are posts. I use DNS66.
i literally blocked like all google domains.
they turned to black swuares after I opene the app once without a dns blocklist iirc.I guess I’m just lucky then? I use Steve Black’s host file in DNS66.
Found out I don’t see ads because I’m using small cards.
They have every right to use the FOSS clients if they don’t want ads and don’t want to pay anything. Thing is there’s no reason to complain about a paid client existing. It doesn’t take away choice, it adds choice. FOSS devs will want to implement features they see in paid clients and raise the bar for paid client to add more features and then repeat. That’s a great thing for users. All this choice will lead to better and better clients, both FOSS and paid. What’s important is that lemmy is an open platform meaning we will always have choice. More choices are a good thing.
Repeat after me. Ads are EVIL! Just sell the app, don’t offer an add supported tier, especially for a front-end to an open-source platform.
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I don’t understand the people hating on Sync just as much as I don’t understand the people hating posts criticizing sync.
It’s an app. Let people use what they want to use lmao. Growth for Lemmy is a good thing regardless
God forbid you have to pay for stuff.
God forbid you
have tocan pay for stuff if you want.It’s a third party app. One of many. With an optional purchase to support the dev. Honestly…
With an optional purchase to support the dev.
You mean the schuckster trying to make a buck using another free API after the last one booted him out? Guy’s a slimeball.
What a genuinely unhinged take.
You’re not paying for the API, you’re paying for the dev time.
A slimeball for having an optional charge for a product they have made and have input their own time and skills into?
That’s a hot take, it’s still a shit take, but hot as well
Don’t forget that he added ads into the app for a platform that doesn’t have ads and then is selling the option to remove them.
Exactly. That’s his m.o., find a free content farm and charge people to access it. And yet people eat it up, which is insane.
It’s blowing my mind that people on here are happy to throw $100+ at a mobile app to access a free website that has multiple free and very good apps, especially when the app they’re paying for is inserting ads into the experience to make people pay to remove the ads.
$20 one time for a well developed app that I use multiple hours a day is inexpensive.
I pay almost as much to multiple streaming services PER MONTH for a shitty experience and sometimes not a completely ad-free experience.
Anyway, in all honesty I chose the $1.99/mo because it gives the dev $24/yr into perpetuity. I also donate to instances. I also use Connect and Jerboa and Liftoff. It’s whatever.
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I pay for Sync and Telegram. Telegram doesn’t even have ads, I just want to throw money at the things that provide me entertainment and value on a daily basis. Just because you don’t like to pay for things doesn’t mean you should project that mindset onto other people.
I paid for sync for Reddit, I donated to my Lemmy instance and I’ll pay for Sync for Lemmy once I decide for myself whether I take the subscription, simply ad free or one time payment for ultra. As there’s still fixes to the pricing going on I’ll wait out for that
I guess I’m biased with paying for software since I work at a company that makes software it also offers in its’ own SaaS platform. I literally maintain the infrastructure so I’m intimately familiar with those costs. I appreciate anyone who offers software and service for free. But there’s always a cost and if you want premium service you’ll need to pay for it.
That is ofcourse another justification and easy one since paying for sync is almost nothing to me. I do hope the free Sync keeps being a good alternative for anyone who wants to try it.
I don’t even use sync
I don’t want to feel good. I DO feel good. The truth is there would be no need to justify anything were it not for all the FOSS zealots throwing shade instead of just minding their business. Stop worrying about whether we feel good, and start thinking about why you want others to feel bad.
God forbid you have to pay for stuff.
But reddit asking to be paid for use of their API was the end of the world for these devs lol
No, reddit demanded ludicrously high fees at barely 30 days notice. It gave nobody any time at all to figure out alternative monetization strategies. Many of the third party apps had expressed their willingness to pay, but that was just absurd
Most of these apps had subscriptions already in place. All they had to do was remove the free access and maybe increase the subscription price a bit to $5/month (I’m not sure what they were charging before).
They also had ads, which they’d no longer gain revenue from. Ads can pull in $3-5 per month per user. That’s a massive loss.
They could still have ads.
Not if you remove free access. That’s a great way to lose your entire user base.
Apart from the ones that pay. You only need to look at any of the sync posts on here to see there are many, many of them.
God forbid i can choose the alternative while talk about how expensive the other choice is.
The other choice is free though. You don’t have to pay.
I’m all here for the lemmy app war of 2023. Sync for life!!
Sync is awesome…till Boost arrives.
I used boost for the better part of the eleven years I was on reddit. Can’t wait to get it back.
I love boost as well, paid for both boost and sync on reddit. Both is awesome
Upvote for the acknowledgement that multiple apps can be installed and used rather than arguing about which one is best.
Everyone as they want but why would I want two or three apps for 1 site?
I have like 3, but I find myself going back to Sync. I wish Relay would have gone this route as that was by far my favorite.
You game to pay for both?
I love Sync and it’s a huge reason why I left Reddit. That said, the price to remove ads and the subscription have made me take pause instead of jumping right back in…
If it was like $15 one-time to remove ads to get the same features there were in Sync Pro I’d be all in and evangelizing the app all over. But it’s more expensive than that, and now some of the features are locked behind Sync Ultra (like tagging users) which is a subscription or quite high one-time purchase…
I’m here for it as well but sticking with FOSS. However, I’ll say use whatever app you want. The wonderful thing about the Fediverse is that they actually give you the option to do that!
I never see Liftoff recommended in these kinds of threads. It’s my favourite app so far out of Thunder, Connect, and Jerboa.
What do you mean? So far I’ve seen it mentioned in every thread about sync.
thunder is my goat tbh
only once that doesn’t feel bloated and slow
Liftoff is fantastic. QoL changes near daily.
Installed sync for a moment… uninstalled it later.
Liftoff is the way for me.
I was always a fan of Sync, and am now on board again. That said, I thought LiftOff and Summit were the two most polished on Android. I had a few nitpicks with each, but overall they are solid.
I’ll have to try Liftoff.
Sent from Sync Ultra for Lemmy.
I second that!
I’m using it right now. Working just fine so far, exactly the same as the reddit version, and I haven’t been asked to pay $20 for it.
Sync is free.
There is a paid version sure. But the free version is still excellent.
Honestly, it’s so strange this never comes up - yes there are ads but a man’s gotta eat. The ads aren’t particularly intrusive so the free version is a fine sacrifice for those of us who are happy enough with the base functionality of sync and can deal with the minor annoyance of an occasional ad.
I’d prefer to purchase the ad-free version, but the pricing is a bit excessive for me right now - I can wait it out until there’s a sale or other discount in the meantime.
If that’s a dealbreaker, all the other Lemmy clients are available to use instead - I’ve used them all and they’re all excellent.
Also, somewhere between my pi-hole and various DNS tweakings the ads in the free version seem to be getting eaten anyway.
Connect seems good enough to me
The ads aren’t even working yet lol it’s still in beta. I don’t get why everyone is complaining.
look i dont got much money in the bank but people need to start donating to foss creators cause it’s getting dumb, musescore sold out to ultimate guitar and theyre going to shit cause guess what? no one gave money. the linux distro im using is ome of the biggest jn the world and it barely scrapes 1000 usd a month. when i get a job i’ll start giving money but people seriously need to chip in, im not mad at sync at all i get it
FOSS = principled free software without obligation because the labor was “donated.”
That’s what I’m learning on lemmy. It’s blowing my mind.
Edit: exiting to make sure I’m understood. I get FOSS. I understand it’s role. What I’m learning is there is a while corner of the internet determined not to spend money on software.
And feeling significant moral outrage if someone else does. It’s bizarre. I’ve seen religious people less zealous.
also yeah it stands for free open source software and FLOSS means it’s licensed in a way which prevents it from being closed off later on
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I have nothing against FOSS. Good things have been done.
I have an issue with people acting like if it isn’t FOSS it is morally wrong. You may not have done this, but it’s a vibe I’ve seen more than once here.
That and a notion that the app should be free. That’s fine, but if people are “saving money” I hope it goes to the servers or lemmy devs.
In short: an undercurrent to some FOSS posts has seemed to be entitlement, not just a desire to see FOSS thrive.
theres no obligation but if they dont get paid theyve no obligation to help us, it’s mutually benefitial
Sync is everything but foss
talkimg about foss things
I’m sorry but how is musescore going to shit? The online subscription is totally separate from the open source app which has had some major development lately and looks and functions amazing.
That being said I agree with your sentiment, the funding for these projects needs to be more robust.
Tantacrul is in charge of the UI/UX design now and his involvement is easily one of the best things to happen to musescore imo. It’s actually super competitive to other scoring software now. Not that musescore was bad before, it was just super janky with some features. He said he’s working on a redesign for audacity too which should be interesting.
The change from 3x to 4x was huge. It really looks professional now and is waaay less cludgey then before. I have been using it since the 2x days and hoo boy it’s so much better now.
The audacity redesign sounds really cool! That’s another program which has lasted the test of time and I would be interested to see how they modify the interface.
i fear musehub will answer what i mean soon enough
