• Lemming6969@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Don’t worry, you’re correct and these people are just uncomfortable to define this as theft (if you didn’t pay something to someone prior.). If you didn’t pay, it’s theft, and it doesn’t matter what background revenue sharing agreements exist.

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      9 months ago

      Google’s example sentence is quite topical. Still: Until potential income is defined as property, its loss isn’t theft. Besides that, if someone wasn’t going to pay for a digital copy in the first place, it’s not exactly a loss of potential income.

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      9 months ago

      I know. It’s painfully obvious that the people arguing against this are just dishonest. I’ve already stated several times that I have no issues with piracy. All I’m saying is that, if people are going to pirate, they should be clear that it is theft, they’re depriving the creator of income, they’re ok with that, and they’ll continue to do it. That’s it.

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        9 months ago

        Ok, so when I decide not to pirate and not to buy I’m also stealing? Or do you think if I didn’t pirate something I would definitely buy it?

        I have pirated and later bought things I’ve enjoyed that I wouldn’t have bought otherwise, so I’d argue that’s better for the creators. But I guess I’m being dishonest 🤷🏻

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          9 months ago

          Did you watch it still?

          If you didn’t pirate and didn’t buy it and also didn’t watch it, then no it’s not stealing.

          If you did watch it, then it’s stealing.

          It’s not that hard of a concept. You’re not entitled to the fruits of someone’s labor for free unless they’re explicitly granting you that entitlement.

          So yeah… it’s being dishonest to pretend like piracy isn’t stealing.

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            9 months ago

            If you did watch it, then it’s stealing.

            This is the hottest of takes and by the same logic I will claim your eyeballs are now violating me by the act of reading this.

            The issue that you seem to miss is that for someone to steal something, someone has to lose something.

            Here is an example:

            Sue has a dog, Jim walked up and took the dog. Sue does not have a dog anymore. <— This is stealing/theft ect.

            Sue has a dog, Jim walked up and used a device to make a perfect copy of the dog and then gave the copy away. Sue still has a dog. <— This is software piracy.

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              9 months ago

              Yeah according to his logic you can just download and hoard all the stuff you want, because it’s not stealing until you actually watch it. Schrödinger’s pirate?