cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/12367209
“Welcome to the end of democracy!” Posobiec declared. “We’re here to overthrow it completely. We didn’t get all the way there on January 6th, but we will endeavor to get rid of it and replace it with this right here,” he said, holding his fist in the air. “That’s right, because all glory is not to government, all glory to God.”
Steve Bannon, former White House adviser, is heard in the background exclaiming, “All right! Amen!”
All Republicans are perfectly happy with the idea of having a (Christo-)fascist dictatorship in power in the U.S. . All that they care about is that the dictatorship rewards them with money and power. I know Republicans like this, people you might think were just ordinary folks, and they’re masters of telling themselves stories to justify their violence and thievery and masters at not seeing anything that might cause cognitive dissonance, to the extent that they’re capable of that at all.
This country needs to address the “god” issue. It’s infuriating. None of the supernatural shit stupid people believe in is real. We can’t let fiction run the show.
Believe whatever you like, the world is scary and if it helps someone make it through the world then whatever. You do you.
But omfg stay the fuck out of politics with it. Your beliefs are not inherently morality you arrogant twats.
People always think the two can be separated… They cannot. Belief in bullshit permeates all choices and votes they ever make.
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Religion makes people dumb and easily manipulated. Fascism just takes advantage of that.
I am not a fan of religion. But I would address poor education and low living standards first.
Yet either stupid ass take.
If you can’t defend your position without resorting to insults, then your position isn’t worth defending.
“Dur hur, religion make people dumb” received exactly the kind of reply it deserved.
Well, it’s a demonstrable fact that there is a high correlation of heavily religious districts in the US and districts with low education. Whether one causes the other, or they both have a common cause, is up for debate.
Religion absolutely makes people dumb. There is no sky daddy, deal with it.
That’s another stupid ass take.
It does though
The same stupid ass take as above, and just as stupid.
You sound like you have a lot of hate in your heart. I’ll be praying for you 🙏
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You are in no position to judge the state of my heart, but should you feel moved to pray on my behalf, it is appreciated.
“Those who can make you believe in absurdities can make you commit atrocities” - Voltaire
And Voltaire is entitled to his opinion. I’m under no onus to give it any more credence than the rest of his body of work.
Based on my experience with religious people, a lot of them want to commit atrocities but know they need more people believing in their absurdities to get there.
Then you should hang around different religious people, because that’s given you an unjustifiably negative bias.
You’re certainly doing nothing to dispossess me of my existing notions.
I’ve told you that they’re unjustifiable and false, that’s the extent of my contribution to them.
To ignore religion is to misunderstand the rise fascism
Bullshit. The two are unrelated.
This is SUCH a throughly researched link that it’s really not up for debate. So I’m not gonna spend time arguing with you. Just point you at sources so you can understand the links yourself.
Bullshit. Fascism has made use of religion, just as it’s made use of every other facet of culture to gain power. The two are unrelated.
Part of having faith is ability to ignore inconvenient truths, as your post demonstrates.
Sounds like you know as little about faith as you do about fascism.
Don’t bother arguing with this religious nut guy, this one is about as nutty as they come, even is trying to get a c/Christianity community going lol
Another fine candidate for my religious nut user tag!
When your definition of “religious nut” becomes anyone who holds any religion whatsoever, you’ve officially lost all credibility.
Lol, if religion and it’s people keep getting used as a “thinly veiled veneer” over and over across the thousands of years we’ve been stuck with it, maybe just maybe the problem is with religion itself.
No, the problem is with the fascists and authoritarians using it for their own ends, just like they use culture, race, sex, gender, class, national origin, and any other tool they can to get people to send them to power.
Do all those pastors and bishops also use culture, race, sex, gender, class and national origin, in order to manipulate and control the masses into holy wars?
Or is that just Religion?
No, ideologues of all kinds use religion, culture, race, sex, gender, class, and national origin to manipulate and control, and engage in wars for their own purposes. Sometimes they use religion for those purposes, sometimes some other avenue. Blaming religion is idiotic.
Keep your religion out of our government. You have no right pushing your religious beliefs upon others through the use of government.
Honestly
That’s right, because all glory is not to government, all glory to God.
is probably the part of his speech that has me most angry. Fucking Christofascists.
Christofascists is such a stupid term. Not because it’s inaccurate but because I can’t think of anything further from Christ than a fascist.
If Christians followed the teachings of Jesus they’d be socialists. But we live in backwards land, so there’s nothing closer to a fascist than an evangelical Christian.
It’s pretty clear to me that Christianity can turn into fascism given the way that it’s been used to support anti-LGBT and anti-abortion propaganda.
Absolutely, but anti-LGBT and even anti-abortion are not in keeping with Christ’s message. I’m an atheist. Why is this so clear to me and not the folks who dedicate themselves to following his word? (It’s rhetorical, I can answer that question for myself in great detail, but fuck…)
Also the most insincere and cynical line in any speech he’s ever given.
Of course, the people he aimed it at don’t really believe it either or they’d maybe read the new testament even just a little.
These guys: “Were not going to stop until we have theocratic fascism.”
Democrats: “Well maybe we should try and meet them half way.”
So let’s recap the narrative:
- Joe Biden stole the election, so we had to storm the capital! 1776 part 2!
- It wasn’t Trump supporters that did that, it was antifaaaaaa
- Trump went too far we’re done with him
- After consulting the polling numbers, I now think Trump did nothing wrong
- The crowd was infiltrated by the FBI, the deep state did this
- While Trump was the greatest President ever, maybe he’s just too divisive so maybe we should have someone else
- I’ve always supported Trump (please don’t primary me!)
- Trump Forever!
- Pardons for everyone that was involved in Jan 6, because it was the FBI that made them do it!
- Jan. 6 was good and correct and we’ll do it again, but this time we’ll get it right! Because it’s what Jesus wants us to do!
Yes. They think they should succeed because they’re better than you. Their words don’t mean anything specific, it’s like a general grunting meaning “me group good, you group bad”.
There are no conservative “policies” anymore. They just want to win, and barely care how. Specific things they say are just justifications for their actions.
Notice the abortion debate. They didn’t really want to overturn Roe V. Wade, they just wanted to “win”. That’s why the pro-life people aren’t unified or energized since then. They all have random unexamined “beliefs” that don’t match. Literally every state is different and all of their policies cause a ton of backlash
Conservatives like Trump because they think they can win with him, and their other candidates are losers. That’s what they care about: winning. Vote and they won’t.
If I’m reading this correctly, I am left to conclude that the FBI is Jesus.
Jan 6 was our Beer Hall Putsch. The Nazis didn’t get it on their first try, either.
Yeah thy seem to be moving towards the Reichstag Fire phase now.
They’ve been pushing the Reichstag Fire thing for a while, actually.
In that scenario, Hitler was saying that it was those damn “communists,” namely Marinus van der Lubbe, (there’s some debate on if he could have acted alone) who was allegedly a known pyromaniac with a history of mental illness.
The Nazis convinced a mentally ill person or persons to attack their capitol building and blamed it on the “communists.” Does that sound at all derivative?
History doesn’t repeat itself, but it does echo.
What do we do?
Fuck if I know, but we’ve at least got a pretty solid case study to work with. What should the average German have done preceding the Nazi’s rise to power?
Cuz… that’s probably what we should do.
How is this is okay that the entire right wing of our government is platforming this? Wouldn’t stating this make you an enemy of the United States?
It sure does!
Everyone forgets that in the decades before the Civil War everyone saw it coming and the most unionists could bring themselves to do was look for compromises the South didn’t want until there was actual shooting and entire blocs of states leaving the Union. They’re so terrified of fighting white supremacist revanchism they’d rather negotiate with it until we’re back in the middle of another Civil War.
I mean what is the realistic option? Too many voters in the US are still sleepwalking into this. If Dems get too tough, there is a real chance they will overplay that delicate position. It’s not that they are afraid of fighting white supremacists, it’s that they are afraid of throwing gasoline on the fire.
History suggests that we will get past this and this whole thing will become a cautionary tale.
And we didn’t do our jobs, which is throwing Trump et al in prison to rot.
Saltily slowing the process, holding a grudge over losing his seat on the supreme court /s
Can you imagine the impromptu party we would throw across the country if Trump were to die??
How fast do you think to GOP will eat itself in that power vacuum?
Judges literally found this to be Sedition so I’m GLAD they’re letting this man and others who by definition are Terrorists Against the United States of America walk FREE! The TRUE Criminals are BLACK CHILDREN in the PARK!
Do these people not realize that the first thing a new regime usually does is put any person who would be a threat against a wall and executes them? Are they convinced this will be different or that they won’t be that person? My history education may have been lacking, but that was very clear.
They all know the leopards would never eat their face. They don’t understand the creeping nature of fascists’ “other”. Once you’ve identified the other and killed them, you need another other to serve as your enemy. In time it will consume everyone.
They’re counting on it. They just have no capacity to realize it could ever be them.
Who is “we”? Was that clown actually there? Or does he prefer to sit back and agitate the mentally ill.
Was that clown actually there?
A big part of what makes this such a joke. Right in the middle of the riot, a bunch of these online freaks and losers were screaming “It’s Antifa! False flag! Fake News!”
They’re scorpions. They’ll take you for a ride and stab you in the middle of the river. It’s just their nature.
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Yeah, because the US is a perfect democracy where everyone has the opportunity to easily vote for someone compatible with their values no matter their location and socio-economic situation unburdened by the undue influence of capital interests and foreign meddling.
Your victim blaming of the American electorate reveals you to be the ignorant one and/or spreading disinformation.
What about those of us that tried but get met with “It’s all rigged anyway, doesn’t matter if you vote, or who for”? Like, we are all behind these nutjobs?? Should we be as bad as them and go for extermination of our opposition?
When the opposition is trying to end democracy so it can have free rein to do whatever it likes, sometimes you have to. This isn’t a polite disagreement about convoluted economic theories, they want to eliminate large segments of our population and their supporters are already violent. At some point they are going to stop busing foreigners to different cities and start gunning them down. They likely aren’t going to be too gentle with LGBTQ populations when they work to eliminate them. They are already controlling what kind of medical care women have access to and they will probably find more ways to restrict women’s lives to promote their ideas of Christian morality. Women are already being told they have to be at death’s door to have their miscarriages treated, this situation is currently at the point of being a life and death issue for many people when the christofascists have barely started taking control.
And if I just whip a gun out and shoot everyone who espouses this shit, it won’t take very long for me to be shot or jailed myself. And, now it is proof to them that the other side IS out to get them and their fairy in the sky. Changes nothing for the better in the political hellscape but, does ruin my families lives. I do not want violence to be the answer. But, if it has to be, unless there is a tight movement against these holy dingbats, it’s just a useless sacrifice to jump and go ballistic on them. As much shit as I’ve seen on here with extreme left saying the only answer is violence back, I have not seen anyone working towards that in the real world. What, everyone is waiting for someone else to get started? Or, we really are not has homicidal as they are and prefer to logically come to a conclusion?
Long live the USSA!
That awkward moment when you read that the Apostles of the early church set up an anarchist Communist collective pretty much first thing. (Acts 2:41-47, Acts 4:32-37)
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Thank you for your civic service. Seriously.
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This is tankie talk. You are being a tankie. We’ll never win the center of the political spectrum if we try to enforce the law against these freaks. That would be too divisive.
No, instead, we should focus our energy on prosecuting trans teenagers and brutalizing climate refugees at the border.
You know. Bipartisanship.
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You are the same as them, those actions will only be used to justify escalating retaliation.
It’s definitely not the same. You can give no quarter to fascist ideology. It inevitably (by design) poisons all legitimate political discourse. It’s insidious and it grows like a cancer until it destroys the host and spreads its poison like a virus to the rest of the world.
Fascism needs to be stamped out with prejudice. I don’t personally like that it’s the case, but we’re already seeing what happens when you allow it to get even the slightest hold.
These people are extremely dangerous to the world order, and anyone who values free thought should be absolutely terrified of them.
I honestly agree with you, but the issue I see is that the MAGA crowd will say the exact same things when they, for example, think Biden isn’t tough enough on the border In their reality, he is committing treason and should be thrown in jail.
Maybe I was too dismissive in my first comment so I want to be clear that Republicans deserve to be held accountable. It is troubling that in my point of view, half of the US population thinks politicians being held accountable for their fascism is actually fascism…
Edit: after rereading your response I feel like we are already past the point where the political discourse in the US has been completely poisoned. Is it even possible for us to induce ourselves when so much of the population has been brainwashed by this?
…he said to the stormtrooper as he was pushed into the boxcar
I deserve that. I tried to clarify my viewpoint in another comment but I want to be clear that I think the Republican party and Trump in particular deserve to be held accountable.
