A social network founded by a former OpenAI employee was caught importing public posts from Mastodon...and ran AI analysis to add tags to them.

Maven, a new social network backed by OpenAI’s Sam Altman, found itself in a controversy today when it imported a huge amount of posts and profiles from the Fediverse, and then ran AI analysis to alter the content.

  • delirious_owl
    95·
    6 months ago

    Why would you expect anything that you post on social media to be private? I don’t get it.

    • ShortN0te@lemmy.ml
      7·
      6 months ago

      You missed the point. It is not about if it is private or not, it is how they use it. You are allowed (on some pages) to read news article. Are you allowed to copy and publish them on your own site? No. You have a Copyright on your posts same as a author has on his books.

      If it is legal or not is still to be discussed.

      Similar to how data was mined (or even still is) about users without consent. Now there is for example the GDPR.

      • delirious_owl
        21·
        6 months ago

        We should definitely be copying and pasting authwalled news articles. Do what’s right, not what’s legal.

      • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
        11·
        6 months ago

        Still doesn’t explain how public posts on a public, decentralized social media platform are implied to be “mine” or that I have any influence on the end use. It’s hosted on someone else’s computer from the get go, if anything the server owners are the content owners more than I am.

        Edit it’d be like if I started seeding a file on a torrent platform, then got upset when someone downloaded it.

            • ⸻ Ban DHMO 🇦🇺 ⸻@aussie.zoneEnglish
              2·
              6 months ago

              Any material you create is implicitly copyright and owned by you. Comments without licences are equivalent to GitHub repos without licences, you can’t use them

              • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
                11·
                6 months ago

                Implicit is not durable, especially when the servers could be federated all over the world.

        • ShortN0te@lemmy.ml
          11·
          6 months ago

          I write a book that gets published. I still hold copyright over it even if it is in someone else’s bookshelf. What rights the copyright holder and the person has is regulated by law. For example a physical book can be resold or lent to someone else, but it is not allowed to copy it and sell the copies.

          I can cite text from the boom, that falls under fair use but I cannot use whole chapters in a derived work.

          I still hold copyright over my messages online, even when it is public or published, that is basic copyright law in most relevant legislations. If the training of an LLM and later selling access to the LLM with copyright infringed data is fair use is yet to be determined.

          • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
            11·
            6 months ago

            There is no copyright on publicly posted messages.

            Edit none that is durable

            • ShortN0te@lemmy.ml
              1·
              6 months ago

              Sure there is, most messages are probably too short but in general yes. There is no difference to an online article.

              • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
                21·
                6 months ago

                There is no evidence you have any durable rights to your comments on Lemmy. It’s hosted on someone else’s machine and they have complete control.