Hear me out, the mascot is a freaking chameleon, that’s cool as shit man.

Also it’s a German engineered distro, German engineering wins again!

Zypper is just a funnier name for a package manager and it has Tumbleweed which is arch but actually doesn’t break for once!

Your rebuttal?

  • boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net
    3·
    5 months ago

    The way they handle package updates and backports is one, and I suppose really good. I dont understand Fedoras versioning. One rolling, one semi-rolling, one more stable, that makes sense.

    But the most important reason, for me, for image-based/ostree-based distros is the possibility to reset to have a bit-by-bit clone of the upstream configuration.

    Normal distros just build up entropy, over time. Users do random shit and it just gets harder and harder for support to find issues. And in my own experience I just started to get weird issues I couldnt trace back.

    This may have been because of KDE Plasma 5 which was often pretty messy. But on Kinoite I always knew it was because of this, as I can reset the system and reapply one by one the changes I did.

    This is so awesome for administration too.

    OpenSUSE does not handle this at all. They just use BTRFS snapshots so your system of reference is your previous one. If you want to resrt to 100% upstream, at least currently you cant.

    You cant even see the changes you did to the system.

    I asked them how to install Librewolf on there, where to add their repo. They to the end did not answer my question, but instead told me

    • installing any RPMs is not supported
    • but it is needed to install drivers etc.

    This is complete nonsense, their system is just useless in such a state. And the people were so toxic, ignorant and childish, … yeah no.

    I asked them “does your package manager support resetting the system” and other questions where the answer is no, they ignored them and kicked me out of the group.

    I dont cry that nobody cares for their 2 semi-supported Distros lol. Fedora meanwhile is flourishing!

    /rant end.

    • bsergay
      2·
      5 months ago

      Thanks for the reply!

      In general, I’d have to say I agree with your post:

      • Reset option is indeed a necessity. Especially on ‘immutable’ distros. Because, why even bother otherwise?
      • Their community seems less diverse compared to Fedora’s. Granted, I believe Fedora’s community is probably most diverse due to how (relatively speaking) popular it is in combination with its release cycle being (roughly) in the middle of what you’d get otherwise with Arch on one end and Debian on the other.

      However, I’m hopeful of what they’ll cook for their ‘immutable’ spins.

      Btw, FWIW, regarding the reset option, perhaps there’s reason to be optimistic regarding its future; here’s Richard Brown on the topic and here’s a page he refers to related to this.