Coomer artists, please get to work
I’m just here for the struggle sessionOh god not again
What was it, something about the artist being a Nazi because the Russian woman happened to be blonde?
oh that poster was hilarious! also all the yelling about how the art was ‘horny’ or ‘suggestive’
Women are inherently pornographic.
And political!
Political porn is my favourite!
I mean, the history of all hitherto existing society is the history of ass struggles.
There is no war but ass war
That was probably me. I realise that I overreacted or hyperbolised it, and that some of my sentiment was probably just a wider anti-anime sentiment. I came down too heavy on one side and had a puritanical take.
However, looking at the images once more, and some of the images posted in this thread (by the same artist) and people’s reactions to them - is it really that puritanical to suggest that the artist intended them to be sexually attractive?
was that a struggle session or what? 4 months later we still got some coals glowing! good times
but like nobody disagreed with that, just the idea it deserved to be called ‘horny’ and the idea similar content shouldn’t be allowed. which might not have been your actual suggestion, but on a forum with lots of rules about horny-posting & nsfw stuff applying a label like ‘horny’ will get people defensive if it’s something they consider acceptable. and why it got so passionate is i think a lot of people would see themselves in the [extremely broad] context of looking good + posing, so saying/implying that wouldn’t fly here (though no-one should post personal photos here) provokes a hard reaction.
also no one disagrees that a reddit-tier comment ad-libbing a sexual fantasy about some person depicted on a post would be unacceptable either, the disagreement there was blaming that on the OP—because gross stuff like that can happen in a perfectly sanitized post about something a nasty person finds hot
Yeah, that’s true. I would agree that calling to ban it was what made it such an incendiary issue.
I see what you mean on the second part, but to anyone who feels that way, I’ll clarify that in my opinion, by nature of being drawn from imagination means there’s an added implication of a voyeuristic relationship to the viewer, that they’ve been created for the viewer? I don’t know, that wording sounds too harsh for what I mean. I think if the image was of real people it wouldn’t have the same implications. It would just be humans posing for a fun picture. They’d look and feel human rather than as a stylised and accentuated version of a human created for consumption.
Consumption by backwater internet forums too, I’d imagine. That has its own set of implications, which relate more to your last point about how it’s not really the artists fault. Again, I mostly agree, but the artists general output of content does cater to a certain audience.
i just dont like it because the drawings are shitty and getting excited over brics in this way is weird and feels very white
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i was born in the wrong decade, i absolutely would have been besties with marx and engels gggg
Oh my god, you still remember that? yes and that illustration is supposed to be a pornographic image, don’t forget it as well.
I always take the bait. I don’t want to relitigate this, but just so my stance is clear, that came from me speaking carelessly and the radlib pricks here exaggerating my claim. Here is the claim, which I have no interest in persuading anyone on, but just so you can make fun of me accurately (by means other than replying to this comment).
If you are doing personification of countries, you generally are either using common features or those of the leaders of the country. The most common hair color in Russia is brown (it’s blonde in a handful of other countries, like Finland). To make your waifu blonde (with blue eyes and white skin, though those features are appropriate) in contradiction to the general logic of the representation for seemingly no reason other than aesthetic preference is an artifact of the racial ideology privileging “Aryans”. I have no stance on the author’s personal politics and frankly don’t care.
Elsewhere a user shared her portrait of Western Bloc states and having the US be blonde makes sense there to represent a white supremacist state that is obsessed with blondes and has young white women dying their hair blonde left and right.
If a Finland waifu was included, it would make the most sense for her to be blonde, but having Russia be blonde is like having China be Tibetan. China does have Tibetans, but they are clearly not the majority politically or by population.
Also obviously the work is objectifying and gross and laundering that through “oh, the artist is lesbian, are you attacking a lesbian’s sexual expression?” is deeply reactionary radlib bullshit to score points and not question your assumptions about media. Since radlibs can do nothing but identity-based laundering of their personal preferences, I will mention that one of my best friends is a lesbian and she also thinks that this is objectifying and gross. She says this because it obviously is and anyone denying it is engaged in motivated reasoning to a pathetic degree.
None of this is to persuade you (the “you” used here was general, not specifically you, bagend). If you disagree with any of what I wrote, then that thing I wrote is wrong. If someone is curious about media criticism I can explain more, but I mostly just hate myself being made fun of for things that don’t represent my stance. Fire away, just elsewhere in the thread and without tagging me so I’m not here all day.
Are you really relitigating a struggle session you were a part of on a Saturday?
I hope not. I’ll go block the radlib who is the biggest problem in that respect, now that you mention it. There is nothing to be gained from interacting with that user’s bullshit if said bullshit does end up getting turned on me again.
I just remember someone (possibly you) being a big dumbass in that thread lmao. I’m trying to find it again but all I’m getting are endless parody posts lol
I’m trying to find it again but all I’m getting are endless parody posts lol
https://hexbear.net/post/263190
Not quite the original thread, but it’s the post that went up to say that the original post was in poor taste, which is the mark of any good struggle session anyway.
It can be hard to find stuff around here because The Creator likes to do a lot of deleting.
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I’m sad I dismissed this as a weird objectifying post by some weeb and am sad I missed out on the fun.
The artist plays both sides so she always stays on top
cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker cracker
Italians aren’t white, come on
I take it that you’re from the USA and have never seen Italian people
Umm excuse me, but at hexbear were proudly anti-italian
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Wait Italians are real 😳
japan isn’t cracker lol
they’re honarary crackers actually
Hitler made the Japanese honorary Aryans.
They’re part of the international community, so 50% cracker
These are the G7 countries.
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I can fix them.
I love that the US background is literally the Russian flag
Ain’t nobody got time for all them stars
Uh, yeah I support the red white and blue.
o7 🇰🇵 🇨🇺 🇱🇦
If I comment my thoughts on what I want the German girl to do to me I would instantly get banned from this site by the
Spoiler
Also for the record I didn’t make the incredibly obvious “she always stays on top” joke I could of made because I have some small measure of personal restraint
An erotic retelling of D-Day that’s Germany and the US wrestling in the sand on the beach
I would Horseshoe Theory for her. 🥵
Fuck you un-BRICS your chicks
I wish I looked like America. Does that make me a liberal?
welp, more trans goals just dropped
i have the height and hair colour to be germany
germany is hair goals, that braid is to die for
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canada is so goals
I just wanna know why Canada is Scottish
Nova Scottia
Me when there is a drawing of a woman
tbh this feels like another flavor of hetalia/countryballs. taking the stereotypical characteristics of a country and personifying them
Countries being personified as women goes back to at least ancient Rome.
Most countries do it. I’ve always thought it’s kinda weird and horny though.
the reason why this sort of shit is so popular is because nation-states have some level of “personhood”, so to speak. someone here posted an essay about how arguably nation-states are a type of consciousness of sorts, but for my life i can’t find it
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least horny hornypost
They’re so goals 🥺
Yeah I wish I had four friends.
Saudi Arabia will certainly be an interesting addition
Guys… what if you could fuck the geopolitical block
what if hetalia for the lads
this thread show what happens when we try to dial back on use of the volcel police
sorry but…
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YOU’RE ALL UNDER ARREST
The VOLCEL POLICE are on the scene! PLEASE KEEP YOUR VITAL ESSENCES TO YOURSELVES AT ALL TIMES.
نحن شرطة VolCel.بناءا على تعليمات الهيئة لترويج لألعاب الفيديو و النهي عن الجنس نرجوا الإبتعاد عن أي أفكار جنسية و الحفاظ على حيواناتكم المنويَّة حتى يوم الحساب. اتقوا الله، إنك لا تراه لكنه يراك.
it’s been so long
can we please not bring this shit back
the nice, kind and cooperative hexbears are gone. and WE’RE BACK
the needlessly aggressive and puritanical people unaccountably argumentative about cartoon illustrations
i deliberately entered a thread full of things i do not like, and now i am upset. how could this have happened?
KillAllHornyPosters likes the wonky horny deviant art drawing
They’re just drawings of women
it’s weird and the art is mid
This is fun and thought terminating. Care to elaborate what makes the art “mid”?
Deviant art aesthetic that you can place when you’ve consumed a lot of it. For me it’s defined by it’s reliance on artistic crutches for lack of ability and imagination. Less “my style” from informed study and more this is all I know how to do well. For example, look at the mouths, the same angle on everyone of faces and the hiding of hands so they don’t have to draw them. It’s something I personally dislike immensely so this part is just me.
I guess I don’t see the hand complaint here, looks like they’re dynamic enough when the pose calls for it. I’m just apprehensive about reducing art in a vacuum, especially when it’s more than serviceable. It seems like this artist is problematic for other reasons, so stigma aside I’d rather appreciate it for being fun after some stereotypes are addressed.
Again, I personally don’t like it, that’s just me. But I also find the fetishization and nerdiness of it off putting
Certainly, I’m not here for that aspect of the struggle session.
Chasers want them. Eggs want to be them.
No tomboyish Brazilian GF
Why live?
I still don’t get why the hornyposters and the puritans alike get so weird about this. Yeah they’re attractive but there’s nothing remotely sexual about them, it’s perfectly SFW. Everybody needs to chill imo.
New strugglesession unlocked: women aren’t inherently sexual.
if that becomes an actual struggle session, i’m finding the server room and running through it with a big magnet
We’ve already had it once before when brics posting was last in. It was stupid, women aren’t inherently sexual
Right. These women are being portrayed in an intentionally sexualized manner though. It’s not extreme, but they’re attractive, have flushed faces, and are posed suggestively on purpose.
But like, big deal? People are going to draw people looking hot, as they have for thousands of years.
I guess I just don’t see how they’re sexualised in this image then. Like they’re hot yeah, but that’s not inherently sexual either. The flushed faces I guess, but I just sort of assumed it was the authors style.
What’s suggestive about their poses?The easiest to break down is probably Russia.
She is posed coyly, regarding the viewer without facing them directly. This may be in part because it’s a reliable head shape to draw, (as we see it repeated in the rest of the figures,) but it’s also definitely within typical body language for flirtation. There is within the piece a general attitude of playful contempt toward the viewer. The composition places the figures to look down at the viewer, India even bends to look at us at our level with a scolding finger, juxtaposed with a smile and heavy-lidded eyes. This is intended to make the figures more desirable, to create in the viewer the feeling of wanting their approval. It’s a common enough sexual dynamic that I hope I don’t have to explain further.
The placement of Russia’s right arm beneath her bust both creates a barrier between the viewer and the figure and, along with her other arm, frames her breasts, which are pushed up. Both the shading (also note the little line between the breasts) and the distortion of the lettering on the shirt serve to highlight the shape. Similarly the shadows on her skirt are applied such that they mirror the pubic region and provide several lines for the eye to follow there. The bite out of this shape even seems to suggest a pubic mound. Around the edges, too we see come into shape the lighter region of the skirt as suggestive of the legs and abdomen beneath it.
You can take a lot of this stuff independently and explain it as something else, but we have to understand that this is being drawn by a person who communicates in this medium either professionally or as a serious hobby. Artists spend a lot of time making these; the composition, poses, etc. are considered and intended for effect. The artist of this piece intended for it to be somewhat erotic and applied a number of techniques in pursuit of that.
I appreciate you taking the time to explain this to me, thank you.
However I disagree with your statement. It’s clear you know a lot more about the technical drawings of art, posings and lighting and so forth, so for this reason I won’t go more into it, except to say that to me I see women being depicted. Saying Russia is posed coyly strikes me as you reading something into the picture that isn’t made present by the creator. The fact that her arm makes her breast visible is just a result of her having big breasts - having big breasts isn’t sexual of itself. The lettering being distorted does highlight that she has big breasts, but again big breasts aren’t sexual. The shadows on her skirt highlight that she has some big ass thighs and a fat ass, which also isn’t sexual in and of itself. Her clothes highlight the shape of her body, which is a conventionally attractive body, but that doesn’t make it sexual.
I’m not trying to nitpick here, but I am trying to explain how - to me - it strikes me as you saying “attractive people are sexual”. While I understand that there is an extra layer here, since someone decides to draw them a certain way, I don’t see anything in their framing making them explicitly sexualised.I know plenty of people with fat sses that sometimea wear a tight-fitting skirt, which the does highlight their pubic region at times as well. That’s not sexualised.
You know, I suddenly don’t mind anymore that libs said I’m a Russia-China shill.
I’m now a proud a Russia-China simp. 🥵
