• SoyViking [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    4 years ago

    Posh brunch libs despises the working class and needs to be hurled into the centre of the sun immediately.

    The left should reach out to the workers abandoned by neoliberals who are currently drawn to various forms of right wing nationalism. But how do we actually do it? They hate the actual left even more than they hate liberals. Who has had any success agitating then?

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    4 years ago

    Awful take. For starters, GOP-dominated counties tend to have smaller populations, which means less available labor to exploit for profit, and fewer jobs - of fucking course their GDPs are going to be smaller! What is even the point of looking at aggregate GDP (which corresponds to local capitalist profits more than anything worker-related with the post-1970s wage-productivity divergence), and then drawing a conclusion about the work ethic of the average person in each county? This person isn’t even citing per capita data, which would control for the fact that there are just more people in the dense urban counties where, of course, Dems tend to do better!

    (Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1138/)

    If they wanted to make a point like “Republican voters don’t work”, they should have looked at unemployment insurance claims by county, or any of the U3, U6, or labor force participation rate. Most of these data should be available from the BLS.

    Regarding the Brookings Institute article that produced this infographic, which has its own different problems, they use this statistic to comment on the same old portrait of a rural-urban economic divide manifesting in divergent propensities to support different parties, aka shit we knew already (with some classic conflation between Dems/libs and the left-leaning voters they hold hostage):

    The problem—as we have witnessed over the past decade and are likely to continue seeing—is not only that Democrats and Republicans disagree on issues of culture, identity, and power, but that they represent radically different swaths of the economy. Democrats represent [sic] voters who overwhelmingly reside in the nation’s diverse economic centers, and thus tend to prioritize housing affordability [sic], an improved social safety net [sic], transportation infrastructure [sic], and racial justice [sic]. Jobs in blue America also disproportionately rely on national R&D investment, technology leadership, and services exports.

    By contrast, Republicans represent an economic base situated in the nation’s struggling small towns and rural areas. Prosperity there remains out of reach for many, and the party sees no reason to consider the priorities and needs of the nation’s metropolitan centers.

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    4 years ago

    I’ve conceded at this point that whoever I hate more depends on the group that pissed me off most recently, but neolibs and shitlibs really do share some responsibility for the creation of modern chuds and MAGA shit. Their classism and elitism while simultaneously offering nothing to inspire gratitude or support are very real and lend themselves to pushing people rightward because “those are the ones who own the libs, right?”

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    Every single from a red rural county is a salt of the earth MAGA rally attending chud. Every single one of them. No exceptions.

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    Every single time, without fail, they assume, as though more certain than they are of their own existence, that the person raising the (valid) point is a republican. Despite the blatantly transparent fact that the statement in question never invokes ‘the libs’, ‘triggered’, ‘maga’, or tags all of the alphabet security agencies, they always fucking rattrap themselves into thinking that anything other than facile patronisation is tantamount to fully supporting whatever it is they’re chastising.
    How do they see something like “consequences of capitalism” and still think “Hurr, durr, REPUBLICAN! NEXT!”?

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        I don’t think it’s in their capacity to acknowledge that they can be outlefted. If you’re fully sold on the democrat-republican dichotomy, then there’s no room for left critique - you must be a republican.

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          Liberals genuinely see the institutions themselves as the engine of social progress. According to this worldview, anything which challenges the legitimacy of these institutions challenges social progress itself. It is a complete inability to recognize class struggle as the engine of historical development.

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          Yeah it’s pretty surreal seeing the indoctrination from the outside perspective that we have. It’s a shame that the right coopted the term redpill, we should have been all over that. Then again I was like 15 when that movie came out and couldn’t have come to that conclusion before the rise of the alt-right and my own left radicalization.

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    There is a point to be made here, but nobody made it. Its that Democrat voters do have a lot more consumer spending power than Republicans do. If they organized as a spending group, they could boycott strategically and bring about real change.

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    Between all the liberals saying stuff like “florida don’t hmu when you need hurricane relief” and the conservatives saying “blue states shouldn’t count for the covid count” or “blue states shouldn’t receive aid”, it looks like balkanization isn’t too far out

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    In awe of the power of the lib brain that goes straight to “Holodomor, Great Leap Forward, Bernie lost” when someone implies they are to the left of them. Not sure how you’re supposed to argue with that.

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    Libs will compromise with actual fascists and will make no attempt at reaching out to conservative working class people and smugly boast how smart they are on twitter. Fucking hell

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    The fact that republicans embrace their white supremacy does not make the democrats less racist in anyway but in comparison this seems to be a thing americans are not great understanding

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    Imagine looking at this chart and thinking “Actually, it is bad that food costs less than apps.”

    When the last tree has been cut down, the last fish caught, the last river poisoned, only then will we realize that one cannot eat money.

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    It’s so hard to convince libs you can’t just write off most people on the planet as irredeemable if you’re going to have a functional society. It’s an incredibly reactionary point of view.

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      There are libs and there are people like my man #TagTeamOfDreamsBiden+Harris, who turn specific lib politicians into a part of their identity. This is some khive shit, most libs are no way this committed.

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    don’t be silly, if you live in the south you’re obviously a worthless bastard republican. that’s why you don’t deserve anything but your broke government that can’t even afford decent education half the time, but you’re also stupid as fuck because of a Personal Choice.

    i fucking hate northern brunch liberals.