What passing-bells for these who die as cattle?

— Only the monstrous anger of the guns.

Only the stuttering rifles’ rapid rattle

Can patter out their hasty orisons…

– Wilfred Owen

  • Flying SquidOP
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    1310 months ago

    I didn’t say he was a socialist, I said his relationship with slavery was complicated. Which it was, as you can see if you just read that part of the Wikipedia entry.

      • Flying SquidOP
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        1710 months ago

        Ok, and the comment I replied to said a thing about a man whose name you got wrong which is not as black-and-white as you make it out to be. You don’t get to be free from criticism yourself, sorry.

            • @gowan@reddthat.com
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              010 months ago

              And again the initial comment I replied to made that claim which is why we keep returning to it. You then tried to back that up by claiming it was more complex than that because he had a nuanced view on slavery. Im saying it isn’t relevant because he died owning slaves which is at direct odds with every form of socialism I am aware of.

              • Flying SquidOP
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                210 months ago

                I didn’t try to back that up. That is a lie. Do not tell lies.

                • @gowan@reddthat.com
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                  010 months ago

                  If you weren’t backing the claim he was a socialist why did you reply at all? The nuance in his views of his own slave holding would not be germane unless you were backing that claim somehow.

                  • Flying SquidOP
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                    210 months ago

                    Because I don’t like people who treat history as if it’s a black and white affair. Are you going to apologize for lying?