Indeed, it was pure hubris and this monumental mistake on the part of the west. Prior to the conflict, few questioned the power of NATO, but now it is clear that this alliance lacks the resilience necessary for a serious war effort and that the west’s economy is not as self-sufficient or pivotal as once thought. The economic front of this conflict has created an entirely separate economy outside of western influence, further highlighting the importance of Russian resources. This realization is particularly unsettling from a Western perspective because European countries are now forced to purchase these resources at inflated prices through third parties rather than directly from Russia. As such, there’s no turning back from this point and it will undoubtedly be remembered as a significant catalyst for the decline of the western empire in history books.
Yup, the west has screwed itself over in a multitude of ways in this situation. Really even if they had engaged Russia in Ukraine but told Ukraine to concede the Donbas it would still have been fine, but at this point so many mistakes have been made that as you said there’s no turning back. Really the biggest one was freezing and then taking the Russian reserves that were in the US.
For sure, there were many offramps available even after the conflict started and the west chose to take the worst possible way forward each and every time.
Well they didn’t officially send US uniformed troops to Ukraine, which might have been the very worst possible way since it would have meant either tens of thousands of coffins heading back or global nuclear holocaust
I think this and Trump pulling out of the Iran Deal were the two greatest (relatively non-violent) fuckups on the planet of the last two decades, period. The world where Russia is in NATO and has China sandwiched between Russia, a likely US-friendly Central Asia, Japan and South Korea, and other US-friendly countries like the Philippines - that world is god fucking awful. Thank god we aren’t in that one, as bad as this one is. Not necessarily hopeless because it might have prompted China to take more urgent action on anti-imperialism, and the descent into the neoliberal rot would still be weakening the empire from the inside, but good god. Two capitalist nuclear superpowers contesting a single socialist one is not a great time.
Yes, but Ukraine has been the biggest blow to American empire in literally its entire history. Before the war the rot was visible if you knew where to look, but now it’s everywhere.
The US fucking around in the Middle East for decades then pulling out and changing nothing. Failures in Vietnam and Korea. I think all three of these overshadow Ukraine in terms of demonstrating western failure.
Sure, Ukraine is important but the situation isn’t even close to being resolved, and we won’t know its full implications for years.
Then you don’t know much about history from a Marxist context because none of those conflicts had any real negative impact on the American empire, they only expanded the American economy by pumping money into MIC and expanding the security state. Ukraine on the other hand in just two years has de armed nato to an astonishingly high degree, allowed Americas enemies to stand up and fight, led to the largest military raid on Israeli soil in generations, pushed nato troops out of Africa, bolstered an entire economic block of emerging powers, and has given incentive for those powers to break off from the USD which is the lifeblood of modern capitalism and imperialism. There’s a mega on the front page that’s been going on for years now talking about it I would really recommend you read it some time.
All they had to do was not push Russias redline and American empire would have lasted another 40-50 years at least. Sucks to suck I guess.
Turns out the centrists were the fringe accelerationalists after all.
Indeed, it was pure hubris and this monumental mistake on the part of the west. Prior to the conflict, few questioned the power of NATO, but now it is clear that this alliance lacks the resilience necessary for a serious war effort and that the west’s economy is not as self-sufficient or pivotal as once thought. The economic front of this conflict has created an entirely separate economy outside of western influence, further highlighting the importance of Russian resources. This realization is particularly unsettling from a Western perspective because European countries are now forced to purchase these resources at inflated prices through third parties rather than directly from Russia. As such, there’s no turning back from this point and it will undoubtedly be remembered as a significant catalyst for the decline of the western empire in history books.
Yup, the west has screwed itself over in a multitude of ways in this situation. Really even if they had engaged Russia in Ukraine but told Ukraine to concede the Donbas it would still have been fine, but at this point so many mistakes have been made that as you said there’s no turning back. Really the biggest one was freezing and then taking the Russian reserves that were in the US.
For sure, there were many offramps available even after the conflict started and the west chose to take the worst possible way forward each and every time.
We should have an emoji for doubling down that’s a picture of the KFC double down lmfao
Well they didn’t officially send US uniformed troops to Ukraine, which might have been the very worst possible way since it would have meant either tens of thousands of coffins heading back or global nuclear holocaust
I mean that’s still a possibility.
They could’ve accepted Russia into NATO and the empire would’ve lasted indefinitely lol
I think this and Trump pulling out of the Iran Deal were the two greatest (relatively non-violent) fuckups on the planet of the last two decades, period. The world where Russia is in NATO and has China sandwiched between Russia, a likely US-friendly Central Asia, Japan and South Korea, and other US-friendly countries like the Philippines - that world is god fucking awful. Thank god we aren’t in that one, as bad as this one is. Not necessarily hopeless because it might have prompted China to take more urgent action on anti-imperialism, and the descent into the neoliberal rot would still be weakening the empire from the inside, but good god. Two capitalist nuclear superpowers contesting a single socialist one is not a great time.
Not indefinitely, but it would have bought them a couple decades.
But that would mean Russia and Europe united; a return to the old imperial powers leaving the US behind.
The decline runs so much deeper than that
Yes, but Ukraine has been the biggest blow to American empire in literally its entire history. Before the war the rot was visible if you knew where to look, but now it’s everywhere.
Sorry, but
I should say the failure of Ukraine as a project has been the biggest blow to American empire in its entire history.
The US fucking around in the Middle East for decades then pulling out and changing nothing. Failures in Vietnam and Korea. I think all three of these overshadow Ukraine in terms of demonstrating western failure.
Sure, Ukraine is important but the situation isn’t even close to being resolved, and we won’t know its full implications for years.
Then you don’t know much about history from a Marxist context because none of those conflicts had any real negative impact on the American empire, they only expanded the American economy by pumping money into MIC and expanding the security state. Ukraine on the other hand in just two years has de armed nato to an astonishingly high degree, allowed Americas enemies to stand up and fight, led to the largest military raid on Israeli soil in generations, pushed nato troops out of Africa, bolstered an entire economic block of emerging powers, and has given incentive for those powers to break off from the USD which is the lifeblood of modern capitalism and imperialism. There’s a mega on the front page that’s been going on for years now talking about it I would really recommend you read it some time.
I don’t see the post you’re talking about can you link it?
The news mega? The one that’s been going on for years.