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One of the admins at lemmy.blahaj.zone asked us to purge a community and all of
its users because they thought it was full of child sexual abuse material, aka
CSAM, fka kiddy porn. We assured them that we had checked this comm thoroughly
and we were satisfied that all of the models on it were of age. The admin then
demanded we purge the comm because they mistook it for CSAM, and claimed that
the entire point of the community was to make people think it was CSAM. We
vehemently disagreed that that was in fact the point of the community, but they
decided to defederate from us anyway. That is of course their choice, but we
will not purge our communities or users because someone else makes a mistake of
fact, and then lays the responsibility for their mistake at our feet. If someone
made a community intended to fool people into thinking it was kiddy porn, that
would be a real problem. If someone of age goes online and pretends – not
roleplays, but pretends with intent to deceive – to be a child and makes porn,
that is a real problem. Nobody here is doing that. One of the reasons we run our
instance the way that we do is that we want it to be inclusive. We don’t body
shame, and we believe that all adults have a right to sexual expression. That
means no adult on our instance is too thin, fat, bald, masculine, old, young,
cis, gay, etc., to be sexy, and that includes adults that look younger than some
people think they should. Everyone has a right to lust and to be lusted after.
There’s no way to draw a line that says “you can’t like adult people that look
like X” without crossing a line that we will not cross.
Admin from LemmyNSFW here, not the one that posted but an admin nonetheless.
I’m not really down with this being presented as drama as some are trying to, it’s unfortunate the way it played out but overall its their choice to defederate. We actively encourage other instances who forbid pornography to defederate from us. Lemmy.ml, sopuli, etc etc we are totally fine with, we have no malice or hate towards them because thats their choice and their reasons and concerns for doing so are more than legitimate especially with how limited lemmy is right now and the locations that they host their site at. We have open discussions with other instance admins and welcome discussions of their potential concerns, it’s just we didn’t really know what the concerns were beyond “this looks wrong because it looks wrong delete it” which made it extremely frustrating to try to figure out concisely what the problem was so we could address it.
My only issue is it being presented as if we are fine with CSAM, when we aren’t and to be accused of that is extremely serious.
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Apparently women are able to be independent and fully able to choose, but only up to the point we allow them
She’s still doing it!
There is no jailbait community on lemmynsfw as far as I can tell. Jailbait is by definition underage girls and falls under CSAM and you can have your own thoughts about fauxbait, I absolutely do, but the fact of the matter is the whole point is that it’s fake and these are adult women.
There’s some inherent reality/fantasy disconnect that Ada has here.
I know and I appreciate you taking a mature and reasonable stance on all this and my point in posting this here wasn’t to make something out of nothing or create outrage or anything like that. It’s just that this isn’t nothing, it looks like there might be ulterior motives and reasons that were not made clear here and this was just an excuse and a lot of this just reeks of goofy Leddit powermod behavior and logic that doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. That’s all.
It makes me sad, but it is what it is. I’m trying not to take it personally, but it does sting since I am a gay man, and an LGBT focused instance is a lovely idea in my eyes. We do not have a jailbait community, whatsoever. There are concerns about fauxbait that we are actively discussing and navigating. It did bring up a good conversation on that end at least.
I really want to thank you for the levelheadedness you’re bringing in.
Perhaps that’s a learned behaviour from other networks where drama=engagement=upvotes. I don’t know. But reading your comment filled me with gratitude.
It’s reassuring to see these technicalities being taken for what they are. Different people have different needs. Understanding that makes respecting those needs something simple and natural. Each to their own, right?
tl; dr?
Thank you for your levelheadedness.
Thank you and absolutely! Our general ethos for LemmyNSFW is that with the implosion of reddit, it’s inevitable that some adults are going to seek out adult content so making sure its done right is quite important. For the purpose of the growth of the lemmyverse and keeping the community safe, we see it as an opportunity to not only learn from reddits biggest mistakes and make a new community that focuses consent and keeps minors out, but also actually attempts to foster a safe and controlled environment that other federated NSFW communities haven’t really been able to do so as they have almost always turned into a free for all. It’s an uphill battle with the limits of lemmy, but we are working through it and doing the best we can and building tools for ourselves. There isn’t a blueprint for this, we’re learning as volunteers as time goes on.
When it comes to defederation, we truly don’t have issues with instances that defederate with us. There’s no hard feelings, no grudge, not even any ounce of negativity. We respect and honor that choice, and with the limits that lemmy has (especially right now) we understand why instances make that choice. And for the overall benefit and safety of the lemmyverse there needs to be instances that don’t federate with us too. Especially in line with our focus on consent. Ideally, there will be native ways in lemmy to block our instance, restrict our content in all for instances, and the implementations of more detailed content warnings.
I will say that I personally use a different instance for SFW stuff, and I can say that I absolutely adore the people at aussie.zone, sopuli.xyz & feddit.de. The admins and communities at each of those instances are filled to the brim with absolute sweethearts and I have nothing but love and kindness towards them. It makes me sad when people feel there is some weird beef we have with the instances that have us defederated (especially those!), and I hope those instances know we don’t, we fully understand why they do, and we will never push them to refederate with us unless they inquire to us explicitly about thinking about doing so.
Same as above, if we were simply defederated there would have been no hard feelings, it was everything else that was an issue.
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I know it may seem like empty platitudes, but I want to make it clear for anyone reading this that our entire team agrees with more native ways in lemmy to block our instance as well as ways for instances to limit our content from federating into the all page. The fact that there is a lack of distinction between NSFW and pornographic content is extremely problematic as well, and ideally long term lemmy will receive content warnings like other activitypub platforms.
Porn isn’t for everyone, but people are going to seek it out regardless. A space such as lemmyNSFW needs to exist to allow the people who seek such content out to be able to do so in a safe and controlled environment that focuses consent as a key principle. And in line with having the key princple being consent, making sure people who do not want to see content from our instance are able to block such content with ease is a no brainer.
Our team has also taken a step back and looked to what critiques there are in regard to our instance, as well as preemptively engaging with other instance admins as well. The conversations being had are important, and we are actively figuring out how to best navigate them.
Also, for those who may have difficulty believing in this position, heres a reply I made 20 days ago to the connect apps comm when a proposal was made to block instances. https://lemmy.ca/comment/857085
So, first, just turn off “show NSFW” in your profile settings, but yes, even then I agree there really needs to be a way for users to block instances. Defederating is such a massive thing. Having more granular options would be nice. I don’t think it would’ve changed this particular case but it can change more.
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Switch to lemmy.blajah.zone and you’ll never see them again.
Okay, now how do we block blahaj.zone content, as a lemmy.world user?
I’m on Jerboa, but there’s an option to block instances in the meatball menu of a post. I use it to hide foreign language instances like .nl and .de
On a non-serious note, I’ve never heard it referenced as a “meatball menu” and I absolutely love it. It makes sense given the similar term “hamburger menu” too!
What/where is the meatball menu please?
The three little dots on the far left of a comment or post.
Why?
Because I don’t care to interact with content from an instance run by Ada.
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