Basically I started with mullvad then turned to proton but after they introduced AI and a crypto wallet I’m just looking for what peoples opinions are.
EDIT: Thank you all for your suggestions and opinions :D
Use Mullvad, unless you absolutely require port forwarding.
This is the best answer.
Thank you for your opinion
Proton has port forwarding? Source?
God damn that’s complicated compared to PIA
Pia is owned by very sketchy Kape Technologies, just FYI.
Yeah but their stack is open source, with no evidence of wrongdoing, and proven no log track record. Their servers have no persistent storage. The threat model isn’t the fuckin NSA lol
While PIA Might not have done any wrong doing, Kape Technologies definitely has. Imo, it’s not worth funding.
I have a proton subscription but it’s not worth the effort to port forward until their app can do it
I dont know why that has you doing so much, I use port forwarding with proton vpn and all I did was press a button in the proton vpn app and it was on.
That’s the manual setup for use cases like on a server or whatever (a common place where you would need port forwarding)
What OS?
Windows 11
Ah that’ll do it. Seems more effort has been put into the windows app
And if you need port forwarding use airvpn. Proton seems more and more sketch every day
Or you already use Proton Mail / Drive etc and want to save a bit of money with Proton Unlimited at 9.99 EUR/USD / mo. That’s why I switched from Mullvad. I do agree that overall though Mullvad is the best in terms of trustworthiness (so far as we know anyway)
Mullvad is currently highly trusted by the community. If you lost your trust in proton I recommend switching back to it.
Mullvad is cheaper, and probably a bit more trusted, but Proton has port forwarding. Currently I use Mullvad. I don’t like the Mullvad’s 5 device limit on Wireguard clients though. You can only have 5 devices added to the account, no matter if just 1 or all 5 are currently connected. And after using Wireguard once, I don’t want to use OpenVPN again where wg can fully replace it.
Both support cash payments, though Proton makes me feel like they expect it for larger sums of cash:We cannot be responsible for lost shipments, so we strongly recommend sending your payment using a service that provides a tracking number so you can track the shipment. It’s also helpful to notify us that you’re sending us cash in the mail, so we know to expect it.
While Mullvad asks you not to use registered mail nor send larger amounts of cash. I feel like the latter is implied by asking to notify them. I suppose “Hey, I am sending you 10 bucks via mail.” is not what’s expected here.
What I absolutely like is the fair pricing. It’s same price no matter how much time you buy, whether it’s 1 month, a year or two. Even their direct competitor IVPN does this crap (and so does Proton). I value that quite a bit.
So currently Mullvad is winning for me.
Oh does the 5 device limit not apply to OpenVPN? Interesting
It technologically can’t. With Wireguard, you need to upload each device’s public key to Mullvad, thus registering each device separately. With OpenVPN you login with username and password. Or in this case just the username.
Theoretically speaking, you could have the same private key on 2 devices that won’t be connected simultaneously though.
Mail is extremely insecure, it’s actually really nefarious for them to recommend it. I still use Mullvad sometimes because it’s just so cheap and fast. I know it’s some kind of high level NATO spyware though. Just look at where their servers are. I mean fucking come on now.
Just look at where their servers are.
Kind of… al around the place? What do you mean?
Also, in the mail you don’t send the account number, just a payment token. So the postman won’t be stealing your account, just your cash at most.
Vouchers are probably the safest, but I actually like sending mail, and this is basically my only opportunity to do so nowadays.
Okay let me try again. Where are their servers conspicuously NOT located?
They can just scan and open and reclose the mail they do this to everyone now I am so serious. Difficult to do at scale though so honestly I take it back, if everyone did it the mail way it could increase surveillance costs? Escalating everyone’s piracy to require forensic cracking at a federal or international level would skyrocket costa which should be a goal
Isn’t mullvad better and cheaper?
think I didn’t get it?
protonvpn is a few pennies cheaper when goin’ for 2 years and even much more when you wait for the black friday offers.
so if you can’t wait and don’t use a vpn on a daily basis, mullvad is 100% cheaper, so yes kinda.
I wouldn’t pay for 2 years for a privacy service. Eventually you’ll loose privacy. Better to create a new account at least every 6 months.
Mullvad is very trusted by community generally they haven’t given any reason to mistrust for now that I know of. They don’t allow port forwarding anymore though so that’s something to keep in mind if you need that.
Mullvad is better imo, unless you need port forwarding. I’m currently using Proton since I pay for Unlimited for that encrypted drive space, and using their VPN saves me money since I just think of the payment as just for Proton Drive. This is a change I made just a few days ago though, for about a year I’ve paid for both Proton Unlimited and Mullvad, and I legitimately prefer Mullvad over Proton, it just made sense for me to switch money wise. Can’t really go wrong between the two imo.
they’re both good but I use mullvad only because I use proton for email and I don’t want one company to have both my emails and web traffic
Huge fan of Mullvad for the work around respecting users privacy. They are implementing ways of skewing AI-guided traffic analysis. VPN encrypts your data but companies are starting to use AI to look at traffic patterns and help determine what that data is. I won’t pretend to understand it completely so I’d recommend reading their blog about it.
I’ve been eyeing PIA for it’s price and the inclusion of port forwarding but not sure if anyone has experience with PIA.
I would recommend Windscribe over PIA. They’re open-source and rank highly on Techlore’s VPN toolkit.
PIA also has an open-source client. I think’d need to still purchase a static IP with Windscribe to enable port forwarding. PIA also gets regular audits if I remember correctly. I’m looking for cheap vpns with port forwarding but will consider Windscribe.
PIA for it’s price
PIA for its* price
IMHO Mullvad
Mullvad only!!!
Experience wise i’ve had a better time with mullvad at every corner when it comes to vpns than proton.
Protons still a respectable company i’d say but there focus is gonna become spread more thin while mullvads gonna continue providing a stable and simple experience.
Plus mullvads never gonna confuse you when it comes to pricing unlike proton, no extra time spent finding the difference between a monthly and annual subscription.
I switched from ProtonVPN Free to Mullvad last month when I needed to torrent something. ProtonVPN Free doesn’t allow P2P traffic, and Mullvad is cheaper than ProtonVPN Pro (or whatever it’s called these days).
The AI doesn’t seem too bad, but I’d prefer it not be there at all. I have no opinions about the crypto, as there is a legitimate use for it, but I have no use for the wallet as I have had a lot of trouble getting ahold of any cryptocurrency.
I’m also happier with the company and the experience. I paid with a card, but I liked that they accept cash and Monero.
On top of that, nobody seems to have anything bad to say about Mullvad. Privacy? They keep no logs and are pretty damn transparent. Limitations? No port forwarding, but I can just use Windscribe if I need that. Clients? They don’t exclude Linux or arm64, and BSD users can just use
wireguard-goor something.There’s also a story when one time the Polisen came to Mullvad HQ with a search warrant, but had to leave after discovering that there were no logs kept, and therefore nothing they could do.
Furthermore, they’ve made my favourite web browser (which is essentially Tor Browser without Tor) by collaborating with the Tor Project. It’s one of only three browsers which give good results in Cover Your Tracks (although I have not yet tested anything with CreepJS; and I tend to change the settings in everything, so your mileage may vary).
TL;DR: I recommend Mullvad over ProtonVPN, but not because of the AI or crypto.
I also recommend Posteo over ProtonMail, Filen over Proton Drive, Bitwarden over Proton Pass, and I stopped using Proton before we got Proton Wallet.
Is there any reason why Mullvad stopped supporting port forwarding?
I used ProtonVPN for years. I use MullvadVPN. Both are totally fine, in my experience. I left ProtonVPN because I couldn’t get port forwarding on Linux, and then less than two months after I did that Mullvad removed that feature, so that’s how it goes.
And now you can have it through NAT-PMP on ProtonVON
Mullvad/IVPN for their pay with cash policies
I believe proton also accepts cash payments. At least I’ve seen that in their mail service.
I’m not sure if Proton is the same, but with Mullvad you can be super anonymous with cash. You can get an a code from their site and literally just write it on a bit of paper, stuff it in an envelope with some cash and mail it to them with no other way of identifying you. I haven’t tried it personally but apparently it works lol.
Can I really pay with cash?
You bet, and please! Stay anonymous all the way. Just put your cash and payment token (randomly generated on our website) in an envelope and send it to us. We accept the following currencies: EUR, USD, GBP, SEK, NOK, CHF, CAD, AUD, NZD.
Yeah Mullvad’s system is better than Proton’s, since the latter asks you to place your username inside the envelope. Mullvad’s random token is better in that regard.
More info on Proton’s cash payments: https://proton.me/support/payment-options#cash
Disclaimer: I’ve never paid in cash on either of these services.
Both options are very good. Neither the wallet nor the writing assistant impact your vpn experience, so not sure what you’re looking for in alternatives.
Anyway, sticking with proton or using mullvad are two equally good but different options. Want a VPN without port forwarding and only a VPN? Mullvad. Want port forwarding, or are interested in using their other privacy minded products? Proton.
