• PugJesus@lemmy.worldOP
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    Not all of the far right is authoritarian either.

    I struggle to think of any far-right ideology, theoretical or practical, that isn’t enamored with hierarchy.

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      The right is less authoritarian regarding business and environmental regulations than the left, as one example.

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          The point is the right doesn’t want the government regulating businesses, whereas the left does. Therefore the left is more authoritarian regarding regulation of business, just as the right is more authoritarian in regulating personal rights.

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            I don’t really find that a meaningful distinction in the context of discussing whether far-right ideologies are capable of being anti-hierarchy.

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              Governmental hierarchy vs private sector hierarchy is the distinction. The existence of hierarchy does not define authoritarianism in government. Do you consider a head of the household an authoritarian government?

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                Do you consider a head of the household an authoritarian government?

                I would consider traditional patriarchal ideas of the head of a household as hierarchical, and that there’s a significant body of work in anthropology that directly relates the outgrowth of complex and hierarchical societies from such family arrangements. So, in the broadest sense, yes. In the narrower sense of a competing polity with a monopoly on force compared to extant states, no, but that’s only relevant insofar as those states continue to exist.

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            Preferring one authority over another isn’t the same as being anti-authoritarian. People who want complete capitalist dominance over society are not that different from people who want complete state control over society. Different organizational and legal structure, but same type of backwards moral reasoning.

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      A lot of right wing militias are anti-government, radical individualist, bordering on anarchist. They care about hierarchy, but mostly in-group. I wouldn’t call them authoritarian.

      The need for either total autonomy from - or total control of - the evil mainstream society is an example of the theory, not an exception.

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        Ancaps believe in hierarchy, just not government hierarchy. Though the distinction is dubious.

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          Markets are not hierarchies.

          Though, yeah, the distinction between market oppression, government oppression, organizational oppression, racial-minority oppression, and cultural oppression is clear, but they are all oppression.

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            Markets aren’t hierarchies. Private property, on the other hand, does impose a hierarchy; and markets without regulation inevitably are destroyed by capture by powerful firms.