The degrowth movement wants to intentionally shrink the economy to address climate change, and create lives with less stuff, less work, and better well-being. But is it a utopian fantasy?
Degrowth addresses that, contrary to your opinion. Degrowth in the global north provides the space for the global south to properly develop, something that has been systematically denied to them in many places by western powers through unequal exchange and neocolonialism.
Lmao no but that’s a great mental image. Global north and south don’t exclusively refer to northern and southern hemisphere. Though, rewilding is a component of most degrowth strategies I’ve encountered. Obviously it’s much more complicated than just planting trees, entire ecosystems would need to be developed, but I guess sort of in a way it would be like moving the Amazon to the northern hemisphere, only that degrowth would advocate for redeveloping underdeveloped areas in the global south rather than further damaging wild ecosystems to develop more sprawl.
Edit: by space I meant in terms of emissions, development costs to land, etc. currently we’re already exploiting most of these countries resources, and destroying their ecosystems, through the aforementioned unequal exchange and neocolonialism, but under de growth, these regions would instead be able to exploit their own resources for their development, instead of being harangued into exporting raw goods by the global north for our oversized consumption habits.
Except a vast portion of the global south, particularly equatorial areas, cannot develop too much or should not be developed too much because they are increasingly becoming less capable of sustaining life.
Sure, so I imagine you’re also of the opinion that Texas should not be allowed to develop any more, that they must refuse any new immigrants from other states, and all Texans must move to other states, right?
Given what we know about climate change, I imagine you must feel the same way about the majority of the southern US, which indeed will itself become uninhabitable.
Im of the mind we shouldn’t rebuild Galveston, New Orleans etc because we will only need to rebuild them again. It might be more like the bottom two thirds of the USA that become difficult to inhabit depending on temperature changes and sea level rise.
Ideally we would be preparing most of the north, especially the states with large spaces and water sources to take on the tens to
hundreds of millions of immigrants that will be heading that way over the decades.
I feel that, it will be interesting to see how the global climate refugee crisis will go when western countries like the US start having millions of migrants internally as well as externally. I think it’s going to be crazy, so much of the west is already bigoted against refugees overall, will they turn that inward and create a class of undesirables who live in shanty towns? Will the state step up and spend the billions of dollars it requires to properly create places for all these people? It’s gonna be a crazy few decades.
I think this is why some are pushing fascism. They see the wave of immigrants coming and rather than prepare their society to adapt they seek to exclude with a police state.
Degrowth addresses that, contrary to your opinion. Degrowth in the global north provides the space for the global south to properly develop, something that has been systematically denied to them in many places by western powers through unequal exchange and neocolonialism.
How does degrowth in the northern hemisphere give space to the southern hemisphere? Are we going to relocate the Amazon rainforest or something?
Lmao no but that’s a great mental image. Global north and south don’t exclusively refer to northern and southern hemisphere. Though, rewilding is a component of most degrowth strategies I’ve encountered. Obviously it’s much more complicated than just planting trees, entire ecosystems would need to be developed, but I guess sort of in a way it would be like moving the Amazon to the northern hemisphere, only that degrowth would advocate for redeveloping underdeveloped areas in the global south rather than further damaging wild ecosystems to develop more sprawl.
Edit: by space I meant in terms of emissions, development costs to land, etc. currently we’re already exploiting most of these countries resources, and destroying their ecosystems, through the aforementioned unequal exchange and neocolonialism, but under de growth, these regions would instead be able to exploit their own resources for their development, instead of being harangued into exporting raw goods by the global north for our oversized consumption habits.
I still do not fully understand it, but thank you for the response.
Except a vast portion of the global south, particularly equatorial areas, cannot develop too much or should not be developed too much because they are increasingly becoming less capable of sustaining life.
Sure, so I imagine you’re also of the opinion that Texas should not be allowed to develop any more, that they must refuse any new immigrants from other states, and all Texans must move to other states, right?
Given what we know about climate change, I imagine you must feel the same way about the majority of the southern US, which indeed will itself become uninhabitable.
Im of the mind we shouldn’t rebuild Galveston, New Orleans etc because we will only need to rebuild them again. It might be more like the bottom two thirds of the USA that become difficult to inhabit depending on temperature changes and sea level rise.
Ideally we would be preparing most of the north, especially the states with large spaces and water sources to take on the tens to hundreds of millions of immigrants that will be heading that way over the decades.
I feel that, it will be interesting to see how the global climate refugee crisis will go when western countries like the US start having millions of migrants internally as well as externally. I think it’s going to be crazy, so much of the west is already bigoted against refugees overall, will they turn that inward and create a class of undesirables who live in shanty towns? Will the state step up and spend the billions of dollars it requires to properly create places for all these people? It’s gonna be a crazy few decades.
I think this is why some are pushing fascism. They see the wave of immigrants coming and rather than prepare their society to adapt they seek to exclude with a police state.