I’ll give mine to get the ball rolling.

There was a user that, before getting banned, declared that every single living human being alive on Earth right now should not exist because no one had the benefit of a pre-conception device on hand to somehow determine each individual’s consent to exist before they started to exist.

I don’t know if that take would make David Benatar blush, make David Benatar cackle with glee, or if that was posted by David Benatar himself.

  • PapaEmeritusIII [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    48·
    2 months ago

    There was a person who was convinced that nobody actually enjoys music or art. They said everyone is just performatively pretending to enjoy these things for some reason. Or maybe everyone is just imagining their emotional responses to music/art, like some sort of mass delusion. I don’t remember all the particulars; this was a while ago.

    I still kinda wonder if that person was just a really good troll

  • Huldra [they/them, it/its]@hexbear.netEnglish
    42·
    2 months ago

    I completely do not recall who said this so I can’t vouch for activity or not.

    But my favourite obscure hot take was during urban planning discussions and someone gave a very spirited description of how there should be absolutely no personal kitchens in apartments, so that communal canteens could be used to socially engineer the people into more virtuous cuisine choices(not primarily in terms of vegan v meat but like regional cuisines.)

    Don’t recall exactly the following reactions but I do think there was some revisions to the original idea after people pointed out that this would probably end up either killing people with allergies, or result in segregation based on medical conditions.

  • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    39·
    2 months ago

    For sure the dude who kept making accounts with names based on Hanna Barbera cartoons who was really fucking pissed off at women enjoying pumpkin spice things. I think about them every fall now and it’s right around the corner. Such a silly thing to get irrationally angry at, especially on hexbear, like you think we’re going to tolerate you shitting on women because they won’t fuck you?

    • UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      20·
      2 months ago

      basically nazis were just following orders

      Many such cases.

      Not being funny about that. Way too many such cases and it’s a horrid take every time. sus-soviet

      • VILenin [he/him]@hexbear.netMEnglish
        15·
        2 months ago

        There’s been a few instances of apologia specifically relating to the OG German nazis, but the floodgates really open when it comes to discussing US murderers overseas

      • thelastaxolotl [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        14·
        2 months ago

        yep, funnily enough he was the one that brought up the nazis and defended the SS soldiers for following orders (an army made up of volunteers) when they were talking about US soldiers during the vietnam war

        • Redcuban1959 [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
          6·
          2 months ago

          I think they think: “Well, in the military/police/security, they break down you down and teach you to just be a mindless drone that just follows orders”. Which is true, but that doesn’t mean that gives you the right to go around killing and torturing literally innocent people and children because some general gave you orders. Besides, comparing that to American soldiers during the Vietnam War? How on earth can that make the US look any better?

          The Nazis were literally ordered to kill Jews and put them in concentration camps. Many of the SS guards and soldiers were literally volunteers and not conscripted like most American soldiers. Some people inside the Nazi German army deserted to join the Western Allies or the Soviets (either because they were opportunists, communists, liberals or they were conservatives but were against the war or genocide). So the people who were inside the Nazi army were there because they wanted to be there and they knew exactly what they were doing.

    • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      32·
      2 months ago

      Do you remember the user, during the early Chapo chat days, that got their account banned because they kept down voting pinned/featured posts? They down voted every pinned or featured post because they didn’t like them appearing on their feed. This was back when some idiots kept down voting every trans positive post. A pinned post was then made highlighting this, pointing out that users who continue to down vote anything trans positive would be banned. Then a trans positive megathread was made. They proceeded to down vote the megathread and get banned.

      • booty [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        27·
        2 months ago

        I remember they made a new account to discuss and dispute the ban and on that new account immediately downvoted the pinned post and got banned for it again michael-laugh

      • TheDoctor [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        6·
        2 months ago

        This was a moderator and they were also banned for constantly derailing conversations in mod chat, calling for poster unionization (still don’t know what this means), and calling for admin elections (as in server stewardship switching hands). I remember a lot of weirdly passive aggressive behavior in general as well.

    • Yor [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      13·
      2 months ago

      I don’t like this being laughed at because the user was being sincere. Maybe it wasn’t taken the way they wanted it to be, but it I do remember them saying it wasn’t IBS specifically and something different. Probably came from a moment of personal frustration and wasn’t made to be a big deal either (as it was completely dropped after the reaction)

  • ComradeMonotreme [she/her, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    27·
    2 months ago

    There was a user, like in the first 12mths of the site, who popped up at least twice (the second time with a new account) to suggest the solution to California’s water problems should be a pipeline from the great lakes. And they seemed to really thought it was a good idea beyond simple trolling.

    And they kept arguing back when people pointed out how that wasn’t possibly legally or politically as there’s treaties between the USA and Canada. That it wasn’t practical in terms of cost or logistics. That it would damage the ecosystem of the great lakes. That California would be fine if they just stopped water intensive crop farming and recycled water (even before considering solar powered desalinisation).

    And they weren’t like a lib (or more than any of us). Their answer to things like treaties or costs was often things like “well after a socialist revolution there won’t be a Canada and USA with those treaties” or “we could build this pipeline with a centrally planned economy” etc

    • UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      20·
      2 months ago

      Even with all of that aside, pipes leak. Pipes rupture. A pipe that long has a staggering number of points of failure all the way to where it’s going, and not all of them would be accidental.

      California doing less bazinga shit with water like golf courses and rich asshole amusements would matter a lot, and also less almonds and alfalfa crops, but…

    • Diuretic_Materialism [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      12·
      2 months ago

      I can’t help but think this take was partially inspired by that weird Geo-engineering project the Soviets half tried to do where they were gonna reroute a bunch of rivers in Siberia to give western Russia more water.

      • ComradeMonotreme [she/her, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        9·
        2 months ago

        Yeah like Geo-engineering is not inherently bad (or good). But it was such an impractical plan. Especially when California could sustain itself with by taking back all the water rights from certain farms, recycling and desalinating (which would be a huge project but not as huge as pipeline thousands of miles long that goes through the rocky mountains).

      • AndJusticeForAll [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
        8·
        2 months ago

        Sounds more like stupid MAGACOM dipshits that basically gussy up resource taking and imperialism in fake-communist terms, i.e. stealing a bunch of Native/Canadian water for the inefficient capitalist hordes in California.

  • EnsignRedshirt [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    27·
    2 months ago

    Remember DroneRights? They seemed to be genuinely mentally ill so I don’t want to make fun of them, but right before they got banned they tried to make some argument about how reality didn’t exist, like it’s just a social construct. Wild stuff.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      23·
      2 months ago

      Oh I do remember DroneRights. I don’t want to assume DroneRights was deliberately trolling but the takes got more and more, well… “agree with DroneRights about the fundamental nature of mind and consciousness or you are posting hatespeech against DroneRights.”

        • very_poggers_gay [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          8·
          2 months ago

          Yeah, imo it would.

          I think what was tough with dronerights was that they demanded that everyone interacting with their posts use their odd and esoteric frameworks, or you would be accused of discriminating against their way of being and thinking. They had a way of weaponizing a lot of things people would say, even though people would engage in really good faith with their really fucking strange ideas

        • tactical_trans_karen [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          2·
          2 months ago

          It is not. A neurotype is a trait that you are born with. Whereas personality disorders are a result of trauma and other life factors, and developing problematic reactions to it. It does result in brain changes, but so does any other mental health disorder. You can think of it as external influence vs natural traits. This is in part why personally disorders can’t be diagnosed until adulthood.

          • Huldra [they/them, it/its]@hexbear.netEnglish
            3·
            2 months ago

            I’ve seen stuff that isn’t strictly like genetic/developmental included in the neurodivergence umbrella before, but either way that just seems like a relatively standard semantic disagreement, you kinda phrased it like some kind of deceptive act.

            • tactical_trans_karen [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
              2·
              2 months ago

              Are we talking colloquial or scientific classification? If it’s the first, it is just semantics. I’m not clear on your reading it as me portraying it as a deceptive act. I should be clear, it is not and I do not endorse such ideas.

              • Huldra [they/them, it/its]@hexbear.netEnglish
                2·
                2 months ago

                Phrasing it as “passing it off as” and bringing it up in a thread of hot takes in general gave off that impression to me, it felt like a relatively minor detail, but I didn’t mean it as a direct accusation, just mainly trying to get a sense of what you meant by mentioning it.

                • tactical_trans_karen [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  2·
                  2 months ago

                  Oh, okay! Yeah, I did actually mean that specifically in regards to DroneRights, the individual. I only responded inside my inbox and kinda forgot the context of the thread. DroneRights is a jackass who wants to accuse anyone who doesn’t agree with its antisocial behaviors as bigoted. There’s plenty of people who have APD who don’t behave this way and work on genuine personal growth.

          • very_poggers_gay [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
            2·
            2 months ago

            A neurotype is a trait that you are born with. Whereas personality disorders are a result of trauma and other life factors, and developing problematic reactions to it.

            IMO, it seems problematic to exclude personality disorders (PD) from the neurodivergent umbrella and neurodivergent solidarity.

            1. The personality in PD refers to personality traits. PDs are typically understood as chronic conditions, which, even if they are triggered/exacerbated by trauma and other life factors, means that someone with a PD will probably experience severe and persistent difficulties in different areas of their life and across their lifespan. Living with a PD and managing the difficult experiences that PDs create is a lifelong process. And PD’s are not diagnosed until adulthood specifically to avoid over-diagnosing trauma responses as disturbances in personality traits.

            2. Different kinds of trauma and other life factors contribute to most kinds of neurodiversity, as supported by the explosive rise in rates of diagnoses like autism and ADHD (especially late diagnoses in adulthood).

            3. Personality disorders are heavily stigmatized already, and I can’t help but think that excluding people with PD’s from neurodivergent solidarity is rooted in stigma (i.e., that people with PDs are too abrasive, unstable, rude, etc.). I think that drawing lines around which psychological diagnoses are considered ND or not reflects and reinforces stigma.

            • tactical_trans_karen [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
              1·
              2 months ago

              I agree with the spirit of what you’re saying here, we need solidarity amongst marginalized groups. But scientific classification doesn’t back up your opinion on the semantics here.

              Thank you for neatly ordering your points, I’ll address them in kind.

              #1 - Personality disorders are not organic things you are born with, they can and often are successfully treated. They can be long lasting and even life long, but proper treatment can result in full remission. A neurodivergence itself is a genetic brain structural deviation from the average that can only be worked around/compensated for to help improve one’s quality of life - but the fundamentals of their brain structure does not change. To put it another way, we could say that a person’s personality becomes disordered.

              #2 - Trauma does not contribute to the development of a neurodivergence, but it does exacerbate negative outcomes and hurts people’s ability to adapt to their difficulties. There’s typically higher rates of diagnoses in homes that have a lot of traumatic events because these homes usually don’t have the resources to help them adapt or mask. This is not a causal role, and there is no difference in brain structure between these cohorts. The increase in diagnoses is due to increased public knowledge and less stigma.

              #3 - This gets to the heart of what we’re going back and forth on - basically it’s semantics. I’m looking at this as official classifications - neurodivergence being the thing that you’re born with vs. brain changes that happened due to trauma post birth (neurological stress responses). We should probably develop a better single word term for these conditions… maybe there is one but it’s escaping me if there is. Classification of conditions for treatment isn’t intended to divide groups to be stigmatized, but unfortunately it does get used by people to sew division. There’s terms that neurodivergent people, people with personality disorders, and people with other stigmatized conditions all fall under - “marginalized people” among many other ways of saying it. I’m not advocating for exclusion of people with PDs from our solidarity, it’s just a different type struggle that they face with close parallels to neurodivergence.

              I hope that all makes sense.

              As for DroneRights… it was trying to excuse its shitty behavior and calling people bigoted if they disagreed. I’m not going to support someone who’s trying to be a wrecker because we’re both marginalized.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      18·
      2 months ago

      Oh I remember that take. seen-this-one

      It was during the early treat printer struggle sessions, where not real jobs were sneered at by computer touchers that for some reason came here instead of staying at /r/singularity on reddit-logo where they belonged.