The concentration camp was never the normal condition for the average gentile German. Unless one were Jewish, or poor and unemployed, or of active leftist persuasion or otherwise openly anti-Nazi, Germany from 1933 until well into the war was not a nightmarish place. All the “good Germans” had to do was obey the law, pay their taxes, give their sons to the army, avoid any sign of political heterodoxy, and look the other way when unions were busted and troublesome people disappeared.

Since many “middle Americans” already obey the law, pay their taxes, give their sons to the army, are themselves distrustful of political heterodoxy, and applaud when unions are broken and troublesome people are disposed of, they probably could live without too much personal torment in a fascist state — some of them certainly seem eager to do so.

- Michael Parenti. (1996). Fascism in a Pinstriped Suit

Also you didn’t answer the fucking question, it’s ok though because we all know why

You don’t have any real principles

That’s not a principle dipshit

Yet, this instance’s accelerationist fever dream of hoping for a rapture-like revolution once things get bad enough is not an effective means of accomplishing your noble goals.

I don’t expect there to be a real revolution in I expect this country to fracture into a civil war and get a taste of what it’s been doing to the rest of the world, maybe a real revolution can emerge out of that but that remains to be seen

The only electoralism worth engaging in is local because that’s where we can build a larger movement and actually exercise some degree of power if we manage to win

I just spent the last 3 hours standing at a protest against the genocide, while there I signed a petition to make our local power company state owned which was put forward by my state assembly representative (literally the only Democrat I’m voting for) who managed to win her primary against her DNC and AIPAC backed challenger

What have you done today? Anything besides scolding some communists who hate you and will literally never vote of Holocaust Harris no matter what you say? Didn’t think so

He didn’t ask about hypothetical alternative candidates, they asked what principle you hold that would prevent you from voting for her - i.e, what action would Kamala Harris have to take to make you feel she was as bad as or worse than Trump? Would you support her if she nuked Iran? France? Minnesota? If she had immigrants shot? Your family? Would you still vote for Kamala Harris in the upcoming election against Donald Trump if she personally executed your family?

You are a German in 1943 telling yourself “I can smell the burning flesh from the camps but so long as I do not rock the boat I will be okay”

The IOF disguised soldiers as doctors so they could attack a hospital and execute three men they “declared” to be Hamas. They were wounded and in the hospital to receive medical care. It’s hard to count the number of warcrimes the zionist entity commited just in that instance. Kamala has done nothing but state she will increase support. Israel gets support for committing warcrimes like using white phosporous - against civilians no less. Israel often bombs schools and hospitals.

Here’s some facts about white phosphorous

• It can burn even under water
• It is ignited by contact with oxygen
• White phosphorus reaches temperatures of 1,472 °F/800 °C. For comparison aluminum melts at 1,220 °F/660 °C
• It causes deep and severe burns. It will penetrate through bone.
• White phosphorus particles that have penetrated the skin, for example on shrapnel, starts to burn when the wound is opened and exposed to air. Your wounds will emanate with white and yellowish smoke. It will smell like garlic.
• When it is on you, all you can do to smother the flame is to deprive it of oxygen. As soon as oxygen is reintroduced it will reignite. This means there is functionally no way of stopping it from burning you when it is on you.
• Unless specialised personnel is present there’s not much more to do than remove you from the place with white phosporous and hope there’s not enough to burn you to death.
• It sticks to you.
• The smoke is toxic.
• Inhalation of the smoke will make your throat scratchy. You will begin to cough. You will get headaches. Anything more than a brief inhalation and you will develop a lung oedema later on.
• White phosporous is toxic in itself. Ingesting it (like if it is on a massive wound burned on you by white phosporous and it gets into your bloodstream) will lead to a litany of deadly malaises.
• After it is used on you, libs will handwring about wether or not it was actually a war crime.

But Trump would be worse so all this is fine. I’m sure the concentration camps and mass graves would be worse under Trump because he’d tweet about them or something.

Edit: This song is about you We didn’t know

Harris is already exterminating every last person in Palestine. How can Trump exterminate them more?

You are a nazi. Not in any metaphorical sense.

Harris’s goal is the extermination of every Palestinian in Gaza. She’s going to end the suffering of Palestinians one Palestinian at a time until there are no Palestinians.

Liberals have spent a decade screaming at me about Uighur genocide, Ukraine genocide, Poland genocide, all sorts of Soviet genocide. I did a lot of reading. I know more than you. I know what is going to happen. I know how and why each action taken by the dog of NATO is being taken. I understand the kayfabe they’re performing, using Bibi to soak up the hatred while they implement their final solution to the Palestinian question.

You Democrats could stop this. There are tens of millions of you. Many thousands who have access. A few dozen knives could bring this to an end in an evening. You could stop this and you won’t.

uhh well they would suffer…uh…MORE! from the white phosphorous andremoved camps if orange man was the one giving his support!

You are nearly fully nazified

The only groups that are dooming the Palestinians are the ones that you are in support of. You liberals at some point really need to unlock the ability to think critically and do some fucking reading about what your country does at international level, which don’t worry I know it will never happen.

THEY ARE BEING PUT IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS AND BOMBED TO DEATH WHAT THE FUCK COULD MAKE IT WORSE, YOU FLAT ASS

My god please fucking just… Think. Goddammit, just say you don’t give a fuck about brown people, at least be honest. There’s no difference between republicans and democrats but at least the republicans have the decency not to tell the most bold faced lies.
Just say you’re racist, just say you want them to die. We can drop this charade. This whole pretending isn’t fooling anyone

god i hope someone pulls your fucking eyes out and pisses in the sockets

Now I know how Germans could live right next door to extermination camps and never once question it. Please die screaming, you wretched, servile worm.

even greater suffering

Its a genocide bucko, doesn’t get much worse that that.

I have not doomed anyone. The current administration has doomed hundreds of thousands, potentially millions of Palestinians.

What greater suffering you fucking buffoon? What can Trump even do worse you stupid spineless piece of fucking shit?

Absolutely evil fucking moron, let me guess “he’s gonna let them use nukes” right?

THAT’S NOT HOW NUKES OR GENOCIDE WORK YOU BRAINLESS GENOCIDAL GODDAMNED DEMON

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I don’t know about others, but I am aware of it. I actively disregard it. I wouldn’t call it a flaw, but a feature.

Same. It’s refreshing to be able to stab someone directly in the ignorance and twist the knife knowing that they’re both expected to understand the arena they’ve walked in to and that there are countless thousands of pages of analysis and discussion that have built up here over the years if they want to learn anything. No Hanlon’s Razor bullshit, no ritualized civility, but also not the performative cruetly of 4chan. A bad question asked in good faith can be answered in good faith. An ignorant person who is willing to consider new ideas, to learn, can be helped.

But trolls and fanatics? Flay them.

I think we do echo chamber with dope ass bear characteristics at times, but also the Overton Window here is far to the left of what is considered sane and acceptable in Western Politics, and as a result many ideas that would be acceptable in “I’m as left as they come but” spaces are met with razors and lemon juice here.

And there’s also a strong defensive reflex built up from being basically political pariahs in wider society. When everyone in your real life thinks you’re morally equivalent to a Nazi because they think you support a bunch of genocides and repressions that mostly didn’t happen having someone come in to the only anti-tankie mine free space in the Western internet saying lib shit tends to trigger everyone’s fight response.

I suppose sometimes elaboration is something I seek in Hexbear comments and posts. Otherwise we talk in cliches and phrases rather than elaborated thoughts; though my experience may not be the empirical reality of genuine intellectual exchange, understanding, and catharsis here on this site.

As in this example, liberals tend to present the trolley problem but we already know that these groups are slated for danger and disintegration because the ruling class has decided this to be normal. The trolley is multi-track drifting, the rails converge and destroy those groups inevitably and the only remedy is to stop the momentum of the train.

I was referring to the axiom and common knowledge being relied on to communicate with one another, the way friends or colleagues with similar politics and world views use short cut phrases and conversation to recycle and communicate interpretations and understandings of history and current events.

So to an outsider it comes off as vague and esoteric, even to those who come in good faith, or share our politics but are unfamiliar with the culture. In other words, my experience on some posts is the same phenomenon of trying to interpret a Blackmoldfuture post; an opening statement that looks like it belongs in the middle of an essay or conversation.

The problem isn’t our “dialogue” the problem is that we’re latched to the hip with a dollar store version of 4chan made up of uniquely uneducated people who thought post-2020 reddit was too “woke”, and we as a forum have a bad case of denial about it, because frankly it’s a little embarrassing in terms of association

Yeah, that’s a better way to put it. I was trying to be diplomatic but the topic at hand is too far severe to give anyone the benefit of the doubt.