> Greta Thunberg > @GretaThunberg
[https://x.com/GretaThunberg/status/1852331823428247927] > > #UsaElection
#USA2024 #StopArminglsrael #FreePalestine #ClimateJusticeNow > > This year we
have seen many defining elections all over the world. On November 5th, It is
time for one of the most powerful countries in the world — the USA — to go to
the polls. It is probably Impossible to overestimate the consequences this
specific election will have for the world and for the future of humanity. > >
There is no doubt that one of the candidates — Trump — is way more dangerous
than the other. But no matter if Trump or Harris wins, the USA — a country built
on stolen land and genocide on indigenous people -will soll be an imperialist
hyper-capitalist world power that will ultimately continue to lead the world
further into a racist, unequal world with an ever increasingly escalating
climate- and environmental emergency. > > With this in mind, my main message to
Americans is to remember that you cannot only settle for the least worst option.
Democracy is not only every four years on election day, but also every hour of
every day in between. You cannot think you have done “enough’ only by voting,
especially when both those candidates have blood on their hands. Lets not forget
that the genocide in Palestine is happening under the Biden and Harris
administration, with American money and complicity. It is not in any way
'feminist.” “progressive” or “humanitarian” to bomb innocent children and
civilians — it is the opposite, even It it is a woman in charge. And this is of
course one example among many of American imperialism. I cannot for my life
understand how some can even pretend to talk about humanitarian values, without
even questioning their own role In further deepening global oppression and
massacres of entire countries. > > So, Americans, you must do everything in your
power to call out this extreme hypocrisy and the catastrophic consequences
American Imperialism has on a global scale. Be uncomfortable, fill the streets,
block, organise, boycott, occupy, explicitly call out those in power whose
actions and Inaction lead to death and destruction. Join and support those who
are resisting and leading the change. Nothing less will ever be acceptable.
Mod of !anarchism@slrpnk.net posts a great Greta Thunberg quote, but then tries to use it to justify not voting in the upcoming US election
Multiple people point out that’s very clearly not what she meant
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Using your mod powers to decide who is allowed and not allowed to speak is not very anarchist of you, @mambabasa@slrpnk.net
You do know that Trump is a racist idiot, and will likely do things or neglect to do things, and that will result in higher civilian casualties everywhere? Dude handled COVID in a way that increased deaths. You think an armed conflict will be handled better? You have a choice between two things. Abstaining just favors one thing.
IDGAF about Harris. Abstaining favors the choice that represents an existential threat for MORE people. Recommending martyrdom instead of reducing losses makes you a saboteur for anarchism. Stop it. Accept that people have a risk profile that won’t tolerate uncompromising principles. We need people to participate, rejecting moderate allies is a bad choice.
I have never argued for abstention. Stop putting words in my mouth. And do you honestly think, I, a non-American in not-America, can affect the most influential election in the world? Get over yourself. I know people aren’t listening to me. But anarchists must say what only anarchists can say.
No, you’re just making shit up. People who already decided to vote for Harris won’t change their minds at a few memes. That’s not how anything works. You’re ascribing meaning to actions that simply cannot represent those meanings. Memes aren’t an abstention campaign.
It’s not a few memes. It’s an aggregate that you are contributing to. You are aware that there are state actors that are attempting to influence the US election, and your post is in line with the messaging from those campaigns.
This is the most winnable election of the entire history of elections. Liberal versus fascist, very clear choice. But no, she and Biden made a conscious decision to defend and support a genocide. Why are you blaming me, a person with very little agency in the US elections, for ruining the Dem’s chances of winning, when it is Harris and Biden themselves are sabotaging their campaign? You’re barking up the wrong tree mate. You could get mad at Harris, you could get mad at Trumpists and Republicans, but nooooooooooo. It’s the scary yet ineffectual anarchist everyone must speak against.
And they are free to speak their minds all over Lemmy. Pray tell why they are entitled to anarchist spaces for their anti-anarchism? Note that their crass and disgusting ideological cover for genocide wasn’t even removed from c/not_voting.
Notice that there has been a historical level of USA investment in isreal. This year, when isreal decided to paint a target on themselves, it gave the USA a choice of tripling down or lose a significant level of force projection in the middle east. Losing that would ALSO sabotage the democrats campaign. The USA as a cultural whole is responsible for genocides in all the regions it has dumped money into. Maintaining the institution of the US is integral to the security and wellbeing of many people that live outside the USA.
it is NOT anti-anarchism to point out that geopolitics is a series of hostage situations, which several people are trying to convey to you.
YOU ARE in a position of power, and i’m mad at YOU because you are using that power in an irresponsible way. YOU have put moral responsibility on the hostages.
While I agree that the sentence is imperialist apologia, I disagree with this approach. There’s something to be learned from everything, especially when there’s much mroe than what you’re focusing on.
I’m willing to understand the operating paradigm of other people. This is the modus operandi of the US. They have motivations that they SHOULD dissuade themselves from being influenced by, but that doesn’t make a difference in how the world currently is, or what currently motivates them.
You can conflate in your head what is and what should be, but that just frustrates real attempts to making the world closer to what it should be.
I did not do that. I said this:
IDGAF about Harris. Abstaining favors the choice that represents an existential threat for MORE people. Recommending martyrdom instead of reducing losses makes you a saboteur for anarchism. Stop it. Accept that people have a risk profile that won’t tolerate uncompromising principles. We need people to participate, rejecting moderate allies is a bad choice.
I have never argued for abstention. Stop putting words in my mouth. And do you honestly think, I, a non-American in not-America, can affect the most influential election in the world? Get over yourself. I know people aren’t listening to me. But anarchists must say what only anarchists can say.
You do have an insignificant effect on the world. It’s not nothing. People read your words and hear you, and form opinions.
Decrying the choice of paying the ransom is arguing for abstention.
No, you’re just making shit up. People who already decided to vote for Harris won’t change their minds at a few memes. That’s not how anything works. You’re ascribing meaning to actions that simply cannot represent those meanings. Memes aren’t an abstention campaign.
It’s not a few memes. It’s an aggregate that you are contributing to. You are aware that there are state actors that are attempting to influence the US election, and your post is in line with the messaging from those campaigns.
And then you are demanding no assenting opinions.
Not just demanding, but removing forcefully, while mischaracterizing what those dissenting opinions are.
This is the most winnable election of the entire history of elections. Liberal versus fascist, very clear choice. But no, she and Biden made a conscious decision to defend and support a genocide. Why are you blaming me, a person with very little agency in the US elections, for ruining the Dem’s chances of winning, when it is Harris and Biden themselves are sabotaging their campaign? You’re barking up the wrong tree mate. You could get mad at Harris, you could get mad at Trumpists and Republicans, but nooooooooooo. It’s the scary yet ineffectual anarchist everyone must speak against.
And they are free to speak their minds all over Lemmy. Pray tell why they are entitled to anarchist spaces for their anti-anarchism? Note that their crass and disgusting ideological cover for genocide wasn’t even removed from c/not_voting.
https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts
Notice that there has been a historical level of USA investment in isreal. This year, when isreal decided to paint a target on themselves, it gave the USA a choice of tripling down or lose a significant level of force projection in the middle east. Losing that would ALSO sabotage the democrats campaign. The USA as a cultural whole is responsible for genocides in all the regions it has dumped money into. Maintaining the institution of the US is integral to the security and wellbeing of many people that live outside the USA.
it is NOT anti-anarchism to point out that geopolitics is a series of hostage situations, which several people are trying to convey to you.
YOU ARE in a position of power, and i’m mad at YOU because you are using that power in an irresponsible way. YOU have put moral responsibility on the hostages.
Oh so you’re an imperialist apologist. Opinion discarded.
While I agree that the sentence is imperialist apologia, I disagree with this approach. There’s something to be learned from everything, especially when there’s much mroe than what you’re focusing on.
NOPE
I’m willing to understand the operating paradigm of other people. This is the modus operandi of the US. They have motivations that they SHOULD dissuade themselves from being influenced by, but that doesn’t make a difference in how the world currently is, or what currently motivates them.
You can conflate in your head what is and what should be, but that just frustrates real attempts to making the world closer to what it should be.
This reductionism on your part is disrespectful.