Ugh these people suck so bad. On average, western leftists are worse than useless. Some bullet points are kinda interesting, even if annoying.

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    The article has a bunch of bullets. Pick one. Spot on. My point is the article was right. I mean, just own it. Chasing people away from communism is pretty much all lemmy communists do lol.

    And, what I meant is I use voyager as my client, and it allows me to hide the voting thing. So… it’s just missing. I wouldn’t know if you had or did not have it. You mentioned it. 🤷‍♂️

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      Multiple comments have gone through bulletin points and explained why they’re wrong. If you can’t engage with specific criticism then don’t defend the article?

      And if you say seriously engaging with criticism will get you a ton of dismissive replies, this is actually what willfully ignoring it will do, and has done.

      You have no idea what communism is. I am 100% certain of that.

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      You pick one! Jesus Christ it was your post in the first place that lead to this whole comment chain! You can’t even pick your own goddamn bullet point? You have got to be fucking with me dawg!

      Holy fuck seriously, what orgs are you a part of so I know not to have anything to fucking do with them, then you can talk about “chasing people away from communism.”

      Hell, try elaborating that point even. How do you think we are chasing people from communism? Are our shit-posts just too shitty?

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        Just stop shit-posting and dunking entirely and focus on promoting the positive parts of communities with equality in a more strategic way to effect measurable change.

        Communism is grounded in compassion, in the idea of working toward a truly liberated society, not one that merely replaces the oppressors of yesterday with new oppressors today. And yet, when I look at many so-called leftists, I see them betraying that principle every day, more interested in ideological purity or geopolitical “victories” than in standing for justice. They might claim they’re against fascism, but when they excuse brutality and silence in the name of their ideology, I see little difference between them and the right-wing authoritarians they claim to despise.

        Maybe I’m just a soft dick.

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          It is the communist movements that you decry as ‘replacing oppressors of yesterday with the oppressors of today’ that have managed to massively improve people’s lives. They are the ones that fought against colonialism and capitalism and achieved some success. Not the people who whine about how bad we are and then just side with the colonial metropoles that exterminate and enslave the rest of the world.

          The sort of actions and policies that we support have been proven to work for the liberation of humanity. You have been proven to work for the world’s enslavement.

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            Well, we are going to have to disagree a bit. I don’t accept any oppressor as a step forward.

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                Strange that a self-proclaimed anarchist would be so in love with the idea of an oppressor.

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                    Also I’ve been here doing anarchist shit for over 4 years

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                  I want to oppress you so bad actually, when the Dictatorship of The Queer is a reality I will personally find you so I can transify you bridget-pride-stay-mad hell yeah call me authoritarian, red fash and all the rest of the meaningless buzzwords, you’re still going to put on the cat ears and the thigh highs

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                    Im actually kinda into thigh highs, I don’t have the cat ears though but I bet I would look cute. And since I’m gay already, it’s only a matter of time.

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              Right.

              For you, there is no difference between (people being forced to work 14 hours a day, 6 days a week, having no guaranteed access to housing, education and healthcare, women not being protected from marital SA, having a life expectancy of 30 or so years), and literally the opposite with life expectancy rising by 60% within 30 years.

              You also see no difference between literal old-style colonialism and the lack thereof. Literal pro-colonial white European child is what you are.

              Please, tell us more about compassion and how bad we want to ‘oppress’ people by giving women fundamental rights, providing people in general with essential needs, including housing and healthcare, eliminating illiteracy, etc.

              EDIT: if you want colonialism so much, why don’t you volunteer to be treated as people were treated under the Red Rubber laws?

              Also, it’s funny how you don’t want any authority over you, but want to subjugate non-white people as your slave and near-slaves

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                What? I have no idea where you got that. You just read whatever you want?

                This is my problem, you just make shit up. I want everything in your last paragraph. We don’t need to have an oppressive government to make that happen.

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                  What? I have no idea where you got that. You just read whatever you want?

                  I don’t accept any oppressor as a step forward.

                  Either you do not actually speak about any movement that we support, or you don’t see any difference between before and after they succeeded. Which is it?

                  This is my problem, you just make shit up

                  I literally listed some of the things that the USSR managed to achieve within the first 30 years of its existence. Pretty sure almost all of that also applies to the PRC (just with the different starting line expectancy).

                  I want everything in your last paragraph

                  Cool. Then you want the USST, the PRC, Cuba, liberated Korea, etc.

                  We don’t need to have an oppressive government to make that happen.

                  You claim that every movement that achieved those things was ‘oppressive’. As such, this claim of yours is unsupported.

                  EDIT: Also, what is your plan for defending against a NATO invasion?

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      The article has a bunch of bullets. Pick one. Spot on

      Okay, so, you are saying that you know for a fact that communist orgs ‘hyperfocus on bureaucracy’. Which orgs have you been to to know that, I wonder?

      Sounds suspiciously as if this is just a vibes-based analysis for you, and that you think that this article painting a picture that coincides worth what you have been told by the people who invaded Iraq and other countries.