At this point I don’t blame Republicans, they are exactly the christo-fascist criminal hypocrites that they always have been.
At this point I don’t blame Democrats, utterly underwhelming and politically ineffective as they are.
Nope. At THIS POINT I blame the lazy fat dumb-as-shit American fuckwad populace. “We The People” just gave knuckle-dragging fascist dipshits the keys to every branch of government as well as a mandate to do basically whatever the fuck they want for no reason other than the price of Doritos being higher. It turns out that the real enemy of the people is the American people themselves, who make the worst possible decisions and act against their own interest at every opportunity, only later to point fingers at the same politicians that they helped elect in the first place.
In other words, if you voted for anybody but Harris I can only say “fuck you, you deserve exactly whatever is coming”.
Power has been out of the hands of the people for a while now. SuperPACs influence the choice of candidates and lobbyists write the laws they pass.
I mean, the GOP has done everything in its power for several decades to undermine education and clinch a near-monopoly on TV and radio media. So I think we can blame them quite a bit for how idiotic and cultish the American people have become.
Democrats dont fetishize about violence against minorities for “not voting right” challenge(impossible)
Muslims putting their home caliphate’s pointless 80-year jihad above Western democracy challenge (haram)
A lot of people here want their hands held all the way to the ballot box.
Being unenthusiastic and unimpressed with the Democratic party is apparently a completely valid reason to not vote, allow a trump win, and then blame the Democrats.
It turns out that the real enemy of the people is the American people themselves
So Trump was right about the enemy within!
So the Republicans are “knuckle-dragging fascist dipshits” but they aren’t to blame? Wtf?
They’re evil, but they also would be completely powerless without American voters (and non-voters). Much like how the GOP enables Trump.
The people in power doing the bad things are always to blame for the bad things they do.
Partially to blame, yes. But they made no pretense of who they were and what they wanted to do. This is largely on the voters.
The people who helped put them in power in the first place are also to blame, that’s the whole damn point. Those who voted for the fascists, as well as those who failed to vote against them, are the main people to blame for the fascists rising to power.
This isn’t hard to understand. It shouldn’t be hard to understand.
YES, we absolutely need to have a reckoning about the shitty politicians that are in power, obviously.
What seems to be less obvious to people, for some reason, is that that something is fundamentally broken in American culture because it is, as a matter of fact, the American PEOPLE who have used every opportunity to put the worst people in power. So yeah, point your finger at the politicians if you all want to, but in the end all we’re doing is keeping the average American dumbfuck from looking in the mirror and reflecting on their part in this entire charade.
Do you blame the fox for killing the hens, or do you blame the farmer for letting them into the hen house in the first place?
The American people saw an unhinged, deranged and delusion party of fascists running on a campaign of corruption, vengeance and grievance, and some of the American populace decided that they wanted to vote for it, while others decided that they didn’t care to vote against it.
All of those people are to fucking blame, and it’s about time that they know it. This wasn’t a hard decision for anyone with >3 neurons firing, but the world is full of idiots have no concept of doing what is best for their world, their country, their city, their family or themselves. I’m done blaming the politicians, I choose to blame the dumb shit people who hand them power at every opportunity.
“Trump can’t actually do any of those horrible things,” -friend who doesn’t understand politics and hasn’t been following anything
Trump’s going to put a bunch of social media grifters and narcissists into his cabinet and really get things done. The GOP is simply too competent to fail.
We definitely won’t have municipal elections in 2025 or state elections in 2026. And nothing will go so wrong that people abandon the Republican Party like they did in 2018.
Elections will be cancelled, just like they were after 2002 and 2016, when Republicans had a three branch monopoly. And no liberal will ever be so popular as to threaten establishment conservative politics.
Man. I want to believe that, I really do.
But the man literally led a coup attempt. A shitty, ineffective one, but he tried nonetheless.
Last time Trump was held back by guardrails, people in the administrative government and in his cabinet kept his worst behavior in check.
This time, we’re already seeing plans to dismantle all that. Only install loyalists, remove anyone else. As in, literally demoting military higher ups who won’t kiss the ring.
I just hope they’re still too incompetent to do any irreversible damage. But fuck me, man. It’s hard to be hopeful.
From what I hear, one of the most important guardrails last time was the 5S system: smile, say sure, subsequently shred. Trump lacks focus and follow through for anything except his core interests, so some of the people close to him apparently got away with simply not carrying out some of his more boneheaded demands.
Yeah, but that was when he wanted the appearance of respectability and brought in some establishment Republicans who hadn’t drank the koolaid. The people he’s nominating now are loyalists through and through who won’t have any reservations to give in to his worse demands.
I’m not sure it was ever about respectability. I think he just didn’t have his shit together to actually be president. Campaigns usually start making transition plans long ahead of the election.
The other thing was that he didn’t have as much of a stranglehold on the Republican Party in 2016. It was still very possible to be a politician in open opposition to Donald Trump. So when it came time to pick someone, he couldn’t pick and choose proven loyalists. He just had to choose from among ranks of people who may or may not be hostile.
narcissists into his cabinet
The great thing about narcissists is they’re narcissists: they only care about themselves, they’re thin skinned, and they’re vindictive.
There is no chance in hell this admin is going to be efficient. One of the things that stands to save the USA is the inevitable infighting of Trump’s cabinet and party.
No, you don’t want to put narcissists in your cabinet if you’re a fascist dictator. Narcissists will covet your position and seek power for themselves. If you’re a fascist movement, you can afford to have one narcissist at the top, but everybody on the bottom has to be yes-men. You want the bulk of your movement to be white men who crave a powerful masculine figure to dominate them. You want submissives. That’s not where you’ll find 99% of narcissists. You’ll find 99% of narcissists on the left, saying that they’re entitled to more pay and fewer hours. You’ll find 99% of narcissists refusing to be dominated by other people and fighting for equality. You’ll find 99% of narcissists trying to make the world a better place.
Obviously they’ll run the election Russian-style, as Americans still like to think of themselves as free.
What’s wrong with a one party system? It’s only one less then two! You wouldn’t want to confuse the voters would you? /$
That’s our secret, Cap… they’re always confused.
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they’ll run the election Russian-style
Why didn’t they just do this in 2018?
Do you think the GOP - and trump’s camp specifically - have gotten more or less extreme/vengeful in the last four years? After the 2020 loss, have they gotten more or less friendly toward the norms of a democratic system of government?
Do you think the GOP - and trump’s camp specifically - have gotten more or less extreme/vengeful in the last four years?
I think I heard this line back in 2004 when Bush beat Kerry. Today is always The Worst and history is always not so bad in hindsight really. But so much of the modern shit show can be traced back to the right-wing gerrymanders from 2005, pushed through under DeLay’s “Permanent Republican Majority” plan alongside his K-Street project.
After the 2020 loss, have they gotten more or less friendly toward the norms of a democratic system of government?
Given how brutally they bludgeoned the Dems this year, I’d say they’ve gotten significantly better at winning democratic competitions. I don’t think they’re going to be shy about running the exact same Musk-powered scheme in 2026, fully convinced they have the numbers to win the old fashioned way.
Thank you for the reply: because we can go back even further to Hunter S Thompson with Fear and Loathing on the campaign trail 72, where he makes the same observation about every election cycle being “the big one”.
It’s just that I do think the GOP has gotten more extreme in many ways, and the right wing media sphere is a major part of that. At least in my experience over the last few decades. Looking back at what the John Birch folks said back then, it’s a lot more mainstream. Just some of the demographic groups targeted are different
As for the elections: it’s going to be interesting, since you’re absolutely correct…the right showed up to vote, and enough of the Democrats stayed at home that the GOP might take that as a sign they don’t need to ratfuck so much. I’m just not as confident that the anti democratic sentiment isn’t just rhetoric meant for political theatre. Hopefully I’m wrong, but the mainstream right seems to be trending toward authoritarian more than libertarian these days.
the GOP has gotten more extreme in many ways
They ate the Dixiecrats, who were already openly white nationalist. But it’s the same extremism, just migrated from one party to the other by way of the oil and automotive industry barons.
Looking back at what the John Birch folks said back then, it’s a lot more mainstream.
The Birchers were mainstream. They got Goldwater in '68 and Reagan in '80. The Tea Party and the MAGA movement can trace straight lines back to Bircher organizers and funders.
I’m just not as confident that the anti democratic sentiment isn’t just rhetoric meant for political theatre.
The problem is that most of the damage is already done. The VRA has been shredded. House seats are heavily gerrymandered. Systematic disenfranchisement is institutionalized. Media is captured by corporate interests loyal (or at least amenable) to the party. There’s not a whole lot left to dismantle. Republicans have heavily entrenched, functionally unassailable state level majorities across the country.
The real threats the GOP face are from within - business and paleocon wings feuding over orthodoxy like 12th century Popes.
And democracy at least keeps this kind of fighting civil. Which is its purpose. Give people a non-violent outlet for civic participation, but limit the terms of debate to what the elites desire.
Nobody currently winning wants that system to change.
It already was before then. But before the only definite winner was Israel since both parties seem to prioritize it over anything else.
You cant even talk about this stuff on a lemmy forum anymore without being habara-ed.
A key part of getting democracy back on track needs to be around eliminating corrupting bribes by lobbying groups like AIPAC. until we do that, we wont end up with any sort of democracy.
Wild that anyone would disagree with eliminating lobbyists but there it is.
Its probably bots that downvote any post with the strings ‘hasbara’ or ‘AIPAC’ in it. Forbidden topics in a lot of the west anymore.
Not even onion anymore…
Well, no, it’s the Beaverton.
Expecting the Dems to control the House, I was telling people not to worry, they can spend 2 years stonewalling anything the Senate wants to do, then regain control of the Senate in 2026, making Trump’s second term mostly a bust. But now that MAGA has the whole Congress I think all bets and gloves are off. Might as well lose the pants too.
Same thing happened in 2016. He got a few things done the first 2 years (the big tax cut was the main thing), then the Democrats got the House back in 2018 and he accomplished very little. Both impeachments happened after 2018.
I started to prepare for 2026, but the thought that “Blue Wave!” fails is so preemptively humiliating that the only logical conclusion was to roll over and let the fascists ride on through 2028. I truly wish I could help or do anything at all but I’m safer here on the couch! Besides, The Capitalists rigged it all anyway. I think if I feel bad enough for anybody who isn’t as safe and I starve, deprive, and isolate myself then I can make up for my own sense of helplessness.
Take heart, as long as there are people who are willing to stand against tyranny and fascism, there will always be hope. Every one of us, even the strongest of us, sometimes need to take some time off to recover - take all the time you need. Be with your loved ones, hold on to them tightly, and share your love as widely as you can. Spread love among your friends and co-workers as best you can. I know it sounds extremely corny, but love, and fighting for who we love, is how we will win.
We can’t vote our way out of this, but we can build a better future outside of the system and do everything we can to resist the state. That means that we might be left with no choice but to take risks and make sacrifices in the hope that the world we leave behind might start moving in the right direction.
Stay strong and hang in there. I love you, no matter who you are, or where you come from, or what you’ve done.
I don’t. I don’t know that guy, he might suck real hard.
That adorable friend should start voting in off years. There’s going to be local elections next year at the very least.
Listen, I hate to break it to you… but we can’t even get these clowns to vote on Presidential election years and now we have to try to convince them to vote during off years and special elections? Fat chance.
To be fair, them getting their shit together would be good regardless if there’s another legitimate election in the future
We can only hope the dictator passes of old age before anything crazy happens.
You think vd dunce is going to be any better for the USA than discount orange hitler?
Maybe he’ll be too busy fucking the couches in the Oval Office to do any presidenting?
I would hate to be the person in charge of squeegeeing the presidential couch after vance gets his hands on it.
I mean, they are studded…
And PURPLE!
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Thats why you have to hope for both to die
of old age
Going to put all my chips on President JD Vance to restore democracy
“Says here President Vance just let Elon peg him in the State of the Union… And he won re-election by 108% on the new voting machines he bought for all states?”
Dems asking everyone to respect the process and continue with an orderly transition to a full fascist government. Please remember to respect our institutions, honor our brave Stasi interrogators, and Back the Blue so that our collective liquidation can occur in an efficient and budget-conscious fashion.
As sad as it is, and I know you’re probably being sarcastic, but that may be our only chance as salvation at this point.
America is right on the brink of being FUBAR.
Crossing my fingers he dies before inauguration
Then we end up with couch fucker JD Vance as president.
We might simply get saddled with one of his failsons or his sex do-uhh, daughter.
They have their shit together. This is how they operate. Next election will be more of exactly the same.
I think this should be a good way to win back money from failed Harris bets. I’d dare to put some money on a bet that there is going to be elections in 2028 and Trump is not going to be a candidate.
One of those win/everythingsfucked kind of bets.
Well. He’s super old and eats like shit. There is a good chance he won’t be the nominee because he dies in office.
Don’t bet JD Vance won’r be on the ticket though
A technical note: they need to sort their communication out earlier, by the midterm congressional election. Apparently, their communication didn’t reach the voters, and voters were in a mood for hearing sweet lies from a criminal oligarch. They need to think of how to change that…
US society needs to somehow withstand 2 years of Trump running loose.
One can also hope that some senators or representatives are old enough to retire (or courageous enough to defect), changing the composition of the Congress before that. That might prevent or slow Trump from steamrolling new laws into force, until something has been figured out.
Yeah, Trump is stupid, but he’s also self-centered. He’s gonna care about making himself a dictator eventually, but he’s got a lot of vengeance to start with. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to hope that we’ll still have elections by 2026, and that there’ll be a moment to throw a stick in the spoke.
Dems have tried
nothinggenocide and they’re all out of ideasWell, if it didn’t work this time, maybe it will later. There’s always more brown people to murder for profit!
It won’t win elections but it will keep the money rolling in and that’s all that most dem politicians really care about
Hey, even if you lose an election, that’s still a good chance to turn a profit. Those pussy hats and rainbow flags basically print money! Just tell any white person they’re being “an ally”, and they eat that shit up!
Maybe democrats should start selling NFTs, and tell people that for each one they buy, they’re adopting some migrant kid who’s sitting in one of the concentration camps Biden never shut down.
What? Why wouldn’t there be?
Because the dictator literally promised it. When he says fascist shit, believe him.
Why? Nothing happened during his first presidency. If he’d learn to shut his mouth and stay off Twitter, I would have forgotten he existed.
Talk is cheap. The man is a career shit talker. Hit me up when he actually does something that negatively impacts me.
It’s great that he didn’t stuff any courts that lead to women bleeding to death in hospital parking lots. But hey, it doesn’t impact you personally and those bitches had it coming for choosing to be born a woman, amirite?
Blame the Supreme Court then. A sitting president cannot force the Supreme Court to do something, or to not do something. Even if you appoint them.
He doesn’t need to be a sitting president in order to get those people he appointed to do what he wants. He knows exactly why he chose those.
Yup, good thing nobody died in a pandemic. That would have sucked.
I’m almost certain he wasn’t patient zero, nor do I believe he had a hand in creating this disease, but I suppose I can’t rule anything out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack
You are a fool, a liar, and a selfish twat.
Oh how quickly they devolve into insults and name calling. Sad.
Must be nice being a cis hetero white dude.
Meanwhile he has promised to ban all transgender care day one and deport 15 million immigrants and is working to remove naturalized citizenship and birthright citizenship.
Also many women have already died thanks to his court already overturning abortion rights.
Must be nice to be the one fucking demographic that he won’t hurt.
Excuse me, sweaty, I’m a masculine presenting trans lesbian who uses him/him pronouns. So yeah, basically a straight dude.
But seriously, blame your state government for abortion related items. That’s all the SC did: kick it back to the states. Your friends in blue had many opportunities to codify abortion rights over the years. Blame them too. Or blame me if it makes you feel better.
The T people care, or rather what qualifies as such, is still contested. Many countries have many different opinions on the subject, and the long term impact from some of the “care”.
Are those 15 million here through legal means or otherwise? The distinction matters a great deal to many people.
The republicans are going to ban abortion nationwide. Read project 2025
In a recent speech, trump promised to ban all surgical or chemical transition methods for minors, and promised to ban sex change operations for all trans people. He promised to ban the ability for federal employees and teachers to even mention the ability to talk about trans issues and promised to ban gender affirming care. https://youtu.be/WycAmF6LgEA
So yeah. That will affect you.
Sorry, not buying into the project 25 boogie man. Take that down the road.
Since you seem to be a fan of youtube, here’s a video of him stating his policy on abortion, in addition to other crazy stuff he says. To summarize, he’s leaving up to each state, as I’ve heard him state many times.
I don’t care what adults do with their hard earned money. Some 26 year old guy wants to get triple F breasts, knock yourself out. As long as they pay with it with their own money. Children should not be subject surgical or chemical transition methods. You don’t get to screw with biology and natural evolution with no consequences. Not everything is reversible. There are far, far more important issues than “trans issues”. Save that discussion for college.
So no, it won’t affect me.
He exploded the size of the national debt, even before covid. Everything he does costs vast aounts of your money.
That’s basically every president. Not saying that makes it ok.
https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and-percentage-7371225
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1366899/percent-change-national-debt-president-us/
According to those, Trump, a one term president, was on course to spend as much as Obama, a 2 term president, if he won a second term.
Good job to Joey B for only increasing the debt by about 17%.
People are thinking it might be a Russian-style election.
🙄
What people? The multitudes that comprise the user base of social media? Normal people aren’t thinking that.
Then why didn’t it happen in 2020? This is getting ridiculous.
It did happen, it just failed.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack
That’s not even close to the same thing. One is the accusation that a sitting president would ensure there will not be another election implying he would hold office until he chooses otherwise.
Your link is about a bunch of rednecks trying to interrupt the confirmation of a person who was already elected to be the next president (which means the election already took place).
There are plenty of genuine reasons to shit on Trump. Stick to the truth.
It DidN’t hAPpen eXActLy aS I ImAgiNed so It diDN’t hAPpen
Read up on your history, it likes to repeat itself.
Because trump has promised to be a dictator from day one and has a court that will allow it?
I’ll tell ya what. In four years, if he deconstructs our form of government, uses the military to silence his opponents, and proclaims himself god king of Merica, I’ll eat my words.
But we both know nothing even approaching that will happen. He’ll talk shit, use Twitter as he poops, then talk some more shit. Fin.
My sweet child.
Please, at least one political news article a month.
Fucking come on.
Yep. Make no preparations for 2028. Any money you donate to campaigns is wasted money. Might as well keep it.
“Guys, don’t even try to fight back. Please just give up.”
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