Hey, everyone. Hope this post finds you all well! A few days ago, PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS opened a comm request thread to name the community formerly known as The Dredge Tank. Now that it’s been about 4 days and the votes seem pretty steady, we’re rea-
“STOP THE COUNT!!!”
“Mr. President, she’s talking.”
As I was saying, we’re ready to call the vote. Nobody’s been happy with counterpropaganda, and we’ve heard you loud and clear. I’m excited to announce that Slop. is now open for all the posts you’d have previously posted to The Dredge Tank.
El Chisme continues to remain the new space for posts that would have been at home in The Dunk Tank.
In case anyone’s confused about this, I’m gonna give a really quick explanation so everyone’s on the same page with what’s going on with the Tanks. The names of The Dunk Tank and The Dredge Tank have racist origins. The moderators of those communities agreed that the names of these communities should be changed. Unfortunately, while Lemmy allows the display names of communities to be changed, it does not currently allow the actual comm names to be changed. In order to change the names of these communities, we would have to shut them down and re-open new comms under new names. The mods of the dunk tank and dredge tank requested the name c/gossip. While there are some legitimate arguments being made relating to misogynistic societal perceptions of that word, the mods include women and enbies who disagree and specifically requested this name. I feel that this situation parallels the initial pushback that was experienced with disabled in which users voiced concerns that this name could be ableist, but the moderators of that community are themselves disabled and specifically requested that comm name, verbatim. Along with this name change, the mods felt that slightly expanding the scope of the community and simultaneously lowering the bar for the previous Rule 8 would allow users to post about more minor public figures as well as more major ones. This was seen as an expansion of the community’s role, allowing posts to the new Dredge Tank replacement (counterpropaganda) to become a little more focused. We communicated this poorly, but the intention was to have users offer a sentence or two countering the reactionary take shown in the screenshot. Given how things spiraled from there, we’ve taken a step back from changing any of the rules during the switchover from The Dredge tank to Slop. We’re trying to take time to let everyone breathe without changing too many things too quickly, but we also want to actually make sure people can get back to posting. Hopefully you’re all okay with this pacing, lemme know below.
In upcoming admin updates:
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I’ll post some analysis of mistakes and missteps that were made in recent days, including some of the context that led up to those errors.
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I’ll offer a clearer and more complete explanation and description of the ongoing site culture issues that have been previously mentioned. These were poorly communicated before, but I’ll do my best to explain both the issues at hand as well as the importance of dealing with them.
The last few days have been really confusing and frustrating for a lot of people and a lot has happened. This is not an appropriate place to reopen, re-litigate, or rehash the struggle session. I will not be debating either the struggle session or the subjects of the upcoming admin update posts here. Please refrain from doing so as well.
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You’re just creating some made up relationship between two things when there is none. Some people disagreed about this, some people disagreed about that. They’re the same.
Using Disabled for a comm name is a shit ton different than using Gossip.
It seems the real difference and what I keep hearing is that it’s the mods choice on the names they choose. If they’re name is steeped in bigotry so what the mods wanted it and who are you the community to go against the mods?
How is gossip steeped in bigotry? I would posit that a social concept that protected women was demonized by the patriarchy to reduce its effectiveness.
The comparison between dunk tanks and gossip is incorrect. Women have been hurt for gossiping in defense of their community. The dunk tank is literally a violent racist thing.
A dunk tank at a fair ground in the 21st century isn’t a violent racist thing, it’s a thing that has violent racism in its early history but is otherwise just an abstract neutral concept that can be perfectly innocent in modern contexts.
I’m not advocating for the return of the name on this site by any means; I think we, as leftists, should be aware of deeper implications of terms, and not use terms that can or do upset people even if in general society they are used without any malicious connotations or intentions. Can you seriously not see any parallel?
I cannot but if you care to explain I am happy to listen
Many users posted articles explaining the horrible history of racism. I am open to being shown how gossip as a term has harmed women more than it has helped.
It’s a term that’s clearly upsetting people here, for reasons that have been gone over again and again in these threads.
I feel like that’s the only thing that should matter. It doesn’t need to provide “more help than harm”; that’s some weird utilitarian logic. If it upsets people, change it. How is that hard? Genuinely don’t understand why you’re so bound to this name?
Go to the message by yoink you responded to in this thread and then go to the message she was responding to and there you go. If that’s not enough to convince you it’s obvious you have no interest in being open to feedback on this issue.
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Where did I compare them? You’re doing that, not me.
Many users have given you countless examples of how it’s sexist and misogynistic and the mods and admins response is continuously been the community, many of whom are trans and not white, is behaving like cishet white men because the view of these select few mods is different than yours.
It’s gross and toxic behavior. It would be so easy to just listen to your community.
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