Not exclusively. Nicotine inhalation traditionally has been in combination with the rest of the chemicals and tar in cigarettes.
Personally… yes? I know some vapers who have been around in the industry for almost 20 years. I’ve heard reports around x-rays of older vapers coming out nearly the same as a nonsmoker.
The real enemy of nicotine inhalation seems to have more to do with what carries it rather than the nicotine itself.
There are absolutely cardiovascular impacts of chronic nicotine use that are independent of any lung issues you’d have from inhalation. That would be true of any drug, and we’re well acquainted with the dangers of PAD and increased heart attack and strokes from nicotine use. It’s a vasoconstrictor so that makes sense.
@roguetrick@thehatfox@aelwero@li10@BlinkerFluid
If I were looking for subtle trouble, I’d look at the brain, which might be influenced in its development by a psychoactive chemical in childhood.
And at the wetware that runs on it.
Not at the chassis.
Oh, I actually thought I deleted this comment since I realized I didn’t really know what I was talking about. But since it’s here, and you took the time to read it; The question that went through my mind is "okay, I know that there’s more to vaping/smoking than just nicotine, but what about chewing tabbaco? Isn’t that nicotine that harms you without the additives from smoking/vaping?
I started with that article, but got lazy and didn’t want to look into it further. Sorry for the confusion.
Chewing tobacco would also contain the carcinogens of tobacco resting in your mouth, causing cancer generally wherever it sits. The tobacco is still the delivery system for the nicotine. In the case of some snus, some are tobacco free, and are simply nicotine pouches that have soaked flavor and nicotine into them. Nicotine, like caffeine, vanillin, THC, can be extracted into its pure form from tobacco, removed from tobacco entirely and delivered in safer methods. This is the mindset behind vaping.
It does seem like loads of kids vape these days, and rather openly as well.
Disposable vapes should be banned because of the waste, and they should do the blank packaging approach for vapes/vape juice.
Just because it’s better than smoking doesn’t mean it’s good, and nobody really knows the long term health effects.
@li10 @aelwero (do we not have long term data on use of nicotine by inhalation? )
Not exclusively. Nicotine inhalation traditionally has been in combination with the rest of the chemicals and tar in cigarettes.
Personally… yes? I know some vapers who have been around in the industry for almost 20 years. I’ve heard reports around x-rays of older vapers coming out nearly the same as a nonsmoker.
The real enemy of nicotine inhalation seems to have more to do with what carries it rather than the nicotine itself.
There are absolutely cardiovascular impacts of chronic nicotine use that are independent of any lung issues you’d have from inhalation. That would be true of any drug, and we’re well acquainted with the dangers of PAD and increased heart attack and strokes from nicotine use. It’s a vasoconstrictor so that makes sense.
@roguetrick @thehatfox @aelwero @li10 @BlinkerFluid
Well, Peripheral arterial disease isn’t, i think, from vasospasm.
And the effects you point to seem to be acute, rather than chronic.
The magnitude and frequency of effects are significant.
@roguetrick @thehatfox @aelwero @li10 @BlinkerFluid
If I were looking for subtle trouble, I’d look at the brain, which might be influenced in its development by a psychoactive chemical in childhood.
And at the wetware that runs on it.
Not at the chassis.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/does-dip-cause-cancer-5089126
That was a fun read. How does it pertain to inhalation of nicotine via propelyne glycol and vegetable glycerin?
Oh, I actually thought I deleted this comment since I realized I didn’t really know what I was talking about. But since it’s here, and you took the time to read it; The question that went through my mind is "okay, I know that there’s more to vaping/smoking than just nicotine, but what about chewing tabbaco? Isn’t that nicotine that harms you without the additives from smoking/vaping?
I started with that article, but got lazy and didn’t want to look into it further. Sorry for the confusion.
Chewing tobacco would also contain the carcinogens of tobacco resting in your mouth, causing cancer generally wherever it sits. The tobacco is still the delivery system for the nicotine. In the case of some snus, some are tobacco free, and are simply nicotine pouches that have soaked flavor and nicotine into them. Nicotine, like caffeine, vanillin, THC, can be extracted into its pure form from tobacco, removed from tobacco entirely and delivered in safer methods. This is the mindset behind vaping.
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We obviously know there are adverse long term effects, because you know, we’re making the shit illegal all over the place…
Long term effects are a lack of yellow shit all over all your stuff and losses in tobacco tax and settlement revenue…