They’ve also done some fuckery with the downvotes. I noticed that right around the time of the mass exodus, certain comments could not be downvoted lower than zero, and posts could not be downvoted lower than some percentage in the teens (14% or 12% upvoted, something like that). Even Spez’s infamous town hall post where he laid all that shit on Christian Selig in June, which was literally getting downvotes in the thousands, never went below some teen percent upvoted, when in reality it had to be far fewer.
I got the same impression looking through the above post as well: lots of people disagreeing with the admin (who disappeared VERY quickly when asked anything of substance) but they somehow seemed to maintain a vote count in the single digits anyway.
I could be wrong about this second point, I haven’t been there in a while, but the first one I’d swear to: check it out on old Reddit if you’re interested.
On old Reddit if you look up in the upper left of a post, it will give you a “% upvoted” figure, and that’s what I was referring to, just so we’re clear. But you’re right, in terns of actual (sort of) vote count, posts can’t go below zero.
There’s also artificial Reddit votes where someone upvotes and Reddit adds a downvote to delete their vote
That one is new to me. Though I do not doubt it: it goes hand in hand with all the other vote manipulation they’ve gotten up to lately. If I may ask, where did you see this?
I haven’t been on since June, but I noticed it for the last 1-2 years or so. Especially on the smaller subs where any given comment would only get a handful of upvotes. Someone would write a long helpful explanation, I upvote, and nothing happens. The score would stay at 1 or whatever.
It’s not like I was spamming votes either. I would make a point of only voting on one comment per post so my vote would count. But it was still usually 50/50. Vote fuzzing was there for years, but this was different. The comments that were less popular seemed to be affected the most.
No, individual vote fuzzing started years ago, and is a separate factor. This is new. What I am speaking of started within the last year, and involves the percentage upvoted to not dip below a certain threshold. To reiterate:
On old Reddit if you look up in the upper left of a post, it will give you a “% upvoted” figure, and that’s what I was referring to, just so we’re clear.
I use Old Reddit myself (you can see my link in OP was an Old Reddit link).
I was not aware of manipulation of the percentage beyond the effect vote fuzzing would have on it (e.g. if you had 5000 upvotes + 1000 fake ones, and 500 downvotes + 1000 fake ones, this would affect the percentage)
i miss when you could see the actual up/down totals on reddit. it was legitimately valuable, especially on controversial comments to see that some people still supported your point
people said at the time, oh it’s fine, it’s not that bad of a change. and now that we have them back on lemmy it’s a breath of fresh air
lots of people disagreeing with the admin (who disappeared VERY quickly)
Reddit is taking the “post and ghost” approach these days. Probably the right thing to do. There’s nothing they can say to justify this. Gone are the days when they engage at all, or give a single shit what anyone wants. Take it or leave it.
They have their own happy cheering crowd, so nothing to worry about from their pov.
They’ve also done some fuckery with the downvotes. I noticed that right around the time of the mass exodus, certain comments could not be downvoted lower than zero, and posts could not be downvoted lower than some percentage in the teens (14% or 12% upvoted, something like that). Even Spez’s infamous town hall post where he laid all that shit on Christian Selig in June, which was literally getting downvotes in the thousands, never went below some teen percent upvoted, when in reality it had to be far fewer.
I got the same impression looking through the above post as well: lots of people disagreeing with the admin (who disappeared VERY quickly when asked anything of substance) but they somehow seemed to maintain a vote count in the single digits anyway.
I could be wrong about this second point, I haven’t been there in a while, but the first one I’d swear to: check it out on old Reddit if you’re interested.
Posts can’t go below zero score
There’s also artificial Reddit votes where someone upvotes and Reddit adds a downvote to delete their vote
On old Reddit if you look up in the upper left of a post, it will give you a “% upvoted” figure, and that’s what I was referring to, just so we’re clear. But you’re right, in terns of actual (sort of) vote count, posts can’t go below zero.
That one is new to me. Though I do not doubt it: it goes hand in hand with all the other vote manipulation they’ve gotten up to lately. If I may ask, where did you see this?
Posts used to be able to go below zero. Years and years ago.
I haven’t been on since June, but I noticed it for the last 1-2 years or so. Especially on the smaller subs where any given comment would only get a handful of upvotes. Someone would write a long helpful explanation, I upvote, and nothing happens. The score would stay at 1 or whatever.
It’s not like I was spamming votes either. I would make a point of only voting on one comment per post so my vote would count. But it was still usually 50/50. Vote fuzzing was there for years, but this was different. The comments that were less popular seemed to be affected the most.
It’s called Reddit “vote fuzzing”
Lots of posts talk about it, here’s the quickest one I found: https://apps.uk/why-do-reddit-votes-fluctuate/
No, individual vote fuzzing started years ago, and is a separate factor. This is new. What I am speaking of started within the last year, and involves the percentage upvoted to not dip below a certain threshold. To reiterate:
I use Old Reddit myself (you can see my link in OP was an Old Reddit link).
I was not aware of manipulation of the percentage beyond the effect vote fuzzing would have on it (e.g. if you had 5000 upvotes + 1000 fake ones, and 500 downvotes + 1000 fake ones, this would affect the percentage)
i miss when you could see the actual up/down totals on reddit. it was legitimately valuable, especially on controversial comments to see that some people still supported your point
people said at the time, oh it’s fine, it’s not that bad of a change. and now that we have them back on lemmy it’s a breath of fresh air
Reddit is taking the “post and ghost” approach these days. Probably the right thing to do. There’s nothing they can say to justify this. Gone are the days when they engage at all, or give a single shit what anyone wants. Take it or leave it.
Left it, lol. There’s no place for genuine interaction over there anymore, or very little.