They are a terrible company, and yet I’ll always bat for them online because I feel they get more flak than other, even worse tech companies.
Apple was the first company to give you several years of software support instead of one major OS version. Apple, for a while, made devices so easy to repair, it would’ve put them out of business at some point, honestly. Even with the first 8 or so iPhones, they were fairly easy to open up, but I’m talking of course about the PowerPC era, where they’d send you repair manuals with your spare parts. As a private individual.
Apple still makes the highest quality laptops, as far as actual build quality is concerned. That aluminium feels so nice. Also only running 2 or 3 models at once means they’re actually easier to repair, as spare parts aren’t nearly as diverse. I see a HP that doesn’t say “Elitebook” on it and I throw it in the trash, because I ain’t looking for parts for no Pavilion or Envy or whatever.
That said, do I think they actually have any social principles? Hell nah. But they aren’t worse than all the other companies. Apple makes money selling you an overpriced phone. Google only does if you buy a Pixel, which isn’t all that big a marketshare, there’s still Samsung and others in the same space. Google needs to be making money off those too, and they are, via data collection and advertising.
Apple computers have always been on the lower end of support (see their support of hardware as they’ve gone thru different CPU architecture). Windows/Linux has never been this quick to drop support.
Apple hardware has always been hard to repair. Non-standard parts, non-standard screws (pentalobe screws, etc…)
Their laptops have never been the “highest quality”, they are better than average but haven’t ever been the highest quality. Companies like Asus and Sony (when they made laptops) were more reliable (unless you want to compare a $2000 MacBook to a $500 laptop but that’s making sure it isn’t fair.).
And Apple does data collection and ads. Always have. iAd was Apple’s first and started in 2010. And Apple collects a ton of private data about you.
They have always claimed to be doing one thing while in reality been doing the opposite. They get flak because they are the worst for this two-faced behavior.
Apple computers have always been on the lower end of support (see their support of hardware as they’ve gone thru different CPU architecture). Windows/Linux has never been this quick to drop support.
Except now Windows is dropping support randomly for older CPUs, including many that would run Win11 easily, just because they can. So they’re honestly the same as Apple in that regard.
see their support of hardware as they’ve gone thru different CPU architecture
They support the old architecture for several years, how’s that a bad thing?
Apple hardware has always been hard to repair.
They used to literally ship you parts with repair guides.
Non-standard parts are one thing (and a problem for sure), but keep in mind that they have way less variety. Go find me a motherboard for a HP Pavilion 15-n037so. Go find me a motherboard for 2012 Macbook Air 13". Guess which one will be easier to find in a company refurbishing laptops. I used to work at one.
The parts for non-Apple laptops aren’t always that standard either. You look at two similar WiFi modules, one has a D/PN on it and the other has an FRU code on it. You can’t put the D/PN coded part in a Lenovo or the FRU in a Dell, because apparently they use whitelisting! I’ve personally run into this.
And Apple does data collection and ads. Always have. iAd was Apple’s first and started in 2010. And Apple collects a ton of private data about you.
Of course they do. Now go look at how much Google does of the same.
They have always claimed to be doing one thing while in reality been doing the opposite. They get flak because they are the worst for this two-faced behavior.
Worst with the notable exceptions of Microsoft and Google.
First off, look we get it, you love Apple and that’s fine. Just don’t make comments of “oh, I don’t like them but let me make a bunch of easily disproven claims to make them seem perfect and amazing”.
Except now Windows is dropping support randomly for older CPUs, including many that would run Win11 easily, just because they can. So they’re honestly the same as Apple in that regard.
And they are all over 10 years old. Apple at best supports 7ish. This isn’t the brag you think it is.
They support the old architecture for several years, how’s that a bad thing?
Again, same answer. They are the shortest time supporter, and the highest cost.
They used to literally ship you parts with repair guides.
No, they didn’t. I’ve used Mac’s since the 80s, in the 90s, and have a 2009 MBP. No they didn’t. Never have.
Go find me a motherboard for 2012 Macbook Air 13".
Go find me one with a working CMOS battery. Those are soldered, non-replaceable. Again, I have a 2009 MBP, and even that can be replaced. And a quick eBay check will find the other motherboard.
Of course they do. Now go look at how much Google does of the same.
And go look at how much Google claims to do the opposite. Which one is better, the one who’s up front and honest, or the one who lies to your face?
Worst with the notable exceptions of Microsoft and Google.
Uh, huh… Again, which one is better, the one who’s up front and honest, or the one who lies to your face?
2009 is newer than what I was referring to anyway. But also, that’s a super easy Mac to repair, the only non-Apple laptops I’ve found to be easier were the G1-G2 HP Elitebook 800 lineup and T series Lenovos up till like 2015.
And a quick eBay check will find the other motherboard
Not worth ordering, nor storing. The correct answer for that other model is that you just dump it in the trash after destroying the drive.
It’s easy to stock parts for most Macs when you’re running a refurb shop. With other laptops, you only have parts for the top 3 or 4 models per manufacturer because the rest aren’t worth the time or effort. It’s all waste when there’s something model specific that’s gone bad.
Also, since when did Macs go back to CMOS batteries? They’ve been using the main battery for that for a long time, though there’s a backup for when the main battery dies competely. That backup does indeed fail but it’s a nonissue if your main battery is good.
They are a terrible company, and yet I’ll always bat for them online because I feel they get more flak than other, even worse tech companies.
Apple was the first company to give you several years of software support instead of one major OS version. Apple, for a while, made devices so easy to repair, it would’ve put them out of business at some point, honestly. Even with the first 8 or so iPhones, they were fairly easy to open up, but I’m talking of course about the PowerPC era, where they’d send you repair manuals with your spare parts. As a private individual.
Apple still makes the highest quality laptops, as far as actual build quality is concerned. That aluminium feels so nice. Also only running 2 or 3 models at once means they’re actually easier to repair, as spare parts aren’t nearly as diverse. I see a HP that doesn’t say “Elitebook” on it and I throw it in the trash, because I ain’t looking for parts for no Pavilion or Envy or whatever.
That said, do I think they actually have any social principles? Hell nah. But they aren’t worse than all the other companies. Apple makes money selling you an overpriced phone. Google only does if you buy a Pixel, which isn’t all that big a marketshare, there’s still Samsung and others in the same space. Google needs to be making money off those too, and they are, via data collection and advertising.
The amount of kool-aid in the post is amazing.
Apple computers have always been on the lower end of support (see their support of hardware as they’ve gone thru different CPU architecture). Windows/Linux has never been this quick to drop support.
Apple hardware has always been hard to repair. Non-standard parts, non-standard screws (pentalobe screws, etc…)
Their laptops have never been the “highest quality”, they are better than average but haven’t ever been the highest quality. Companies like Asus and Sony (when they made laptops) were more reliable (unless you want to compare a $2000 MacBook to a $500 laptop but that’s making sure it isn’t fair.).
And Apple does data collection and ads. Always have. iAd was Apple’s first and started in 2010. And Apple collects a ton of private data about you.
They have always claimed to be doing one thing while in reality been doing the opposite. They get flak because they are the worst for this two-faced behavior.
Except now Windows is dropping support randomly for older CPUs, including many that would run Win11 easily, just because they can. So they’re honestly the same as Apple in that regard.
They support the old architecture for several years, how’s that a bad thing?
They used to literally ship you parts with repair guides.
Non-standard parts are one thing (and a problem for sure), but keep in mind that they have way less variety. Go find me a motherboard for a HP Pavilion 15-n037so. Go find me a motherboard for 2012 Macbook Air 13". Guess which one will be easier to find in a company refurbishing laptops. I used to work at one.
The parts for non-Apple laptops aren’t always that standard either. You look at two similar WiFi modules, one has a D/PN on it and the other has an FRU code on it. You can’t put the D/PN coded part in a Lenovo or the FRU in a Dell, because apparently they use whitelisting! I’ve personally run into this.
Of course they do. Now go look at how much Google does of the same.
Worst with the notable exceptions of Microsoft and Google.
First off, look we get it, you love Apple and that’s fine. Just don’t make comments of “oh, I don’t like them but let me make a bunch of easily disproven claims to make them seem perfect and amazing”.
And they are all over 10 years old. Apple at best supports 7ish. This isn’t the brag you think it is.
Again, same answer. They are the shortest time supporter, and the highest cost.
No, they didn’t. I’ve used Mac’s since the 80s, in the 90s, and have a 2009 MBP. No they didn’t. Never have.
Go find me one with a working CMOS battery. Those are soldered, non-replaceable. Again, I have a 2009 MBP, and even that can be replaced. And a quick eBay check will find the other motherboard.
And go look at how much Google claims to do the opposite. Which one is better, the one who’s up front and honest, or the one who lies to your face?
Uh, huh… Again, which one is better, the one who’s up front and honest, or the one who lies to your face?
2009 is newer than what I was referring to anyway. But also, that’s a super easy Mac to repair, the only non-Apple laptops I’ve found to be easier were the G1-G2 HP Elitebook 800 lineup and T series Lenovos up till like 2015.
Not worth ordering, nor storing. The correct answer for that other model is that you just dump it in the trash after destroying the drive.
It’s easy to stock parts for most Macs when you’re running a refurb shop. With other laptops, you only have parts for the top 3 or 4 models per manufacturer because the rest aren’t worth the time or effort. It’s all waste when there’s something model specific that’s gone bad.
Also, since when did Macs go back to CMOS batteries? They’ve been using the main battery for that for a long time, though there’s a backup for when the main battery dies competely. That backup does indeed fail but it’s a nonissue if your main battery is good.