For most people, the personal consequences of China being able to spy on them are nonexistent. The government that can actually abuse such power against them, e.g. prosecute them for out of state abortions, is the US.
So protesting the US banning an app and trying to force people to use their own spyware social media makes some level of sense.
It’s still obviously better to use privacy preserving and/or federated services, but that’s not something most people know about or understand.
Individually, sure it’s mostly meaningless. As a group? Did you see who won the latest election? The actions of the collective are always what matters. China (and everyone else) doesn’t care about you as an individual, but they do want to nudge society.
I didn’t say they don’t, but again, that is the same for US based social media and even more so for traditional media. Almost everyone is pushing an agenda these days.
Most people believe that they are smart enough to not fall for propaganda. Unfortunately, most, if not all of them are wrong.
Ah yes, the U.S. and China, the only two countries in the world, or at least the only two with social media platforms.
(Please don’t pay attention to the fact that you’re using a website for social interactions with a server in the Netherlands or this would be an issue for you.)
It’s still obviously better to use privacy preserving and/or federated services, but that’s not something most people know about or understand.
It is perfectly reasonable for people to not know about niche options and understand complex technologies like federated networks. Different people have different interests. I am sure the two of us are making decisions that seem stupid to other people daily, whether choosing bad toothpaste, unrepaiarable washing machines, agreeing to predatory TOS or whatever else. Everyone can’t be expert on everything.
So the choice most people see is use another Chinese app or use the other large social media, which are basically all US based. And between those two options, the Chinese apps are not that unreasonable.
For most people, the personal consequences of China being able to spy on them are nonexistent. The government that can actually abuse such power against them, e.g. prosecute them for out of state abortions, is the US.
So protesting the US banning an app and trying to force people to use their own spyware social media makes some level of sense.
It’s still obviously better to use privacy preserving and/or federated services, but that’s not something most people know about or understand.
Individually, sure it’s mostly meaningless. As a group? Did you see who won the latest election? The actions of the collective are always what matters. China (and everyone else) doesn’t care about you as an individual, but they do want to nudge society.
I didn’t say they don’t, but again, that is the same for US based social media and even more so for traditional media. Almost everyone is pushing an agenda these days.
Most people believe that they are smart enough to not fall for propaganda. Unfortunately, most, if not all of them are wrong.
Yes, and they also don’t care if they’re spoon-fed propaganda by their own choice. Because they’re idiots.
As if the other socials did not feed you propaganda.
“They do it too” does not make it okay.
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I am not saying it is ok. I am saying it is not a factor when choosing between Chinese and US based social media.
Ah yes, the U.S. and China, the only two countries in the world, or at least the only two with social media platforms.
(Please don’t pay attention to the fact that you’re using a website for social interactions with a server in the Netherlands or this would be an issue for you.)
What are you even talking about?
You:
Me:
You don’t have to choose either. You are choosing neither right now by being on Lemmy.
It is perfectly reasonable for people to not know about niche options and understand complex technologies like federated networks. Different people have different interests. I am sure the two of us are making decisions that seem stupid to other people daily, whether choosing bad toothpaste, unrepaiarable washing machines, agreeing to predatory TOS or whatever else. Everyone can’t be expert on everything.
So the choice most people see is use another Chinese app or use the other large social media, which are basically all US based. And between those two options, the Chinese apps are not that unreasonable.