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Last Jedi really just doesn’t work for me, feels like they wanted to do anything but make a star wars film. But contractually obligated to make star wars.
I could write paragraphs about why I don’t like it but far more interested in hearing what people do like about it.
I liked it because it didn’t feel like nostalgia slop. It felt like trying to take things in a new direction, while still rooted in the universe. Like the best of legends stuff tbh, in intentions and execution. Without being bound to actual legends stuff, making it just nostalgia slop (rise of Skywalker…).
I liked it was just a good movie as well. Great acting, great editing, great cinematography.
I grew up loving Star Wars, but I was never the attached type in general. I will always have the original trilogy, the clone wars tv show, the prequels to watch. Nothing changed about them with what happens in the Last Jedi. I don’t feel offended by a new thing being different.
Idk, it just felt so much better than Force Awakens, which felt like pure nostalgia slop. I actually had hope Star Wars would “get good again”.
I’d say I liked it for similar reasons I like Andor. But I actually do love Andor, and only like Last Jedi.
Maybe it also helped that I watched it in a cool movie theater while traveling and was pretty high…
And the whole “subverting expectations” thing… I don’t think Rian was trying to be edgy or be like “haa fuck you and your ‘expectations’”. J.J. just set up a terrible and fucking boring story with his first movie.
And Rian setting up Rey to be a nobody, and that it doesn’t matter if you have holy royal blood or some bullshit, was GREAT. That anyone can be the hero, not just the “destined one”. Like it was perfectly set up for the first new Jedi to be completely different, led by Rey guided by a changed and “grey” Luke, and the first pupils being the slaves and slum children. Idk… isn’t that much better than whatever the fuck was happening in the first and last movies…?
I don’t get how people can call out every tiny problem of the sequels and prequels then just gloss over all the trash in the originals.
Star Wars is fun. It’s way more fun if you don’t think about too much.What trash in the originals?
… Oh come on. You have got to be joking.
This is the way
I like the prequels for the backstory and world building in an era we hadn’t known about yet. But the only redeeming thing about them is the show the clone wars. Without it, it would be a huge mess.
Clone Wars gives a lot of necessary context that just isn’t there otherwise.
Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith suffer greatly by feeling like the 1st and 3rd movie of a trilogy that we just don’t have the second part of, so Clone Wars bridging that gap (and giving Anakin character development so that his fall to the dark side means something beyond “Emo former-slave farmboy has bad dream and goes on child killing spree”, seriously Anakin sucked before Clone Wars redeemed him.)
I like Phantom Menace, but it’s too heavily disconnected in the timeline from the other two movies in the trilogy for it to really work with them, which is funny because if you ask me what my favorite Star Wars film the list would be.
Occupying Slot #1 - All of them for different reasons Occupying Slot #9 - Attack of the Clones
Honestly I think in a decade or so we’ll come to see the sequels become beloved much like the prequels were, and for similar reasons (younger genreation that grew up with them, memes, and media that fills in plot holes now existing)
I doubt the sequels become more well thought of. It’s already been 5 years from ROS a decade from TFA and nothing has really changed in a positive direction.
It took the prequels quite awhile, people STILL hated them when TFA came out… That was the whole point of trying to make it look and feel as much like the OT as possible.
There are people that still hate the prequels, but they are the clear minority. Even on release the hate wasn’t as strong for the prequels as it has been for the sequels. Some of it may be the toxic behavior of Disney outside the movies themselves, but that’s a self inflicted wound.
The clone wars makes more of a mess of the prequels than the movies on their own IMO.
In general the show was mid, the last two seasons were alright but that’s it. And to be fair they were limited by what they could tell or explore in it, and they probably did the best they could, but tartakovsky’s version will always be the superior one in my eyes.
Tartakovsky’s version is superior by far. It did get slightly referenced in season 7 of the clone wars, though, and I still consider it to be partially cannon.
I believe they retconned it back into cannon with that tentacle beast showing up in one of the Marvel comics
That would be Durge. I think the main reason we never saw more of him was cause Kenobi killed him and there was never any build up to his arrival or any kind of mention of him after. Just some guy who could have been a general or some mercenary. Also a primary antagonist who just doesn’t talk or have any personality but being big strong guy definitely doesn’t add well to the tv formula.
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Well, then you’re lost.
Wow
Sure but do you not agree there is major gap in quality and substance?
Some people like beer so much they would drink bud light.
My only real problem with the sequels is Last Jedi, Rian Johnson needed a plan outside of “subvert expectations!”
There’s nothing wrong with doing a movie where “Okay, now I’m going to do the opposite of what the audience thinks I should do!”, but it really should be your own IP, it’s not an experiment you should run during the middle part of an important trilogy for a franchise so well-renowned that they border on a major world religion.
Force Awakens - A re-telling of A New Hope that brought the franchise “Back to basics” after all the weird shit the PT did (Weird, but not unwelcome)
Rise of Skywalker - Beautiful film, wonderful ending to the story, I just wish Finn did more outside of yell Rey and have his scenes and romance with Poe Dameron cut to appease China.
Last Jedi… feels like a decent film, that belongs in a different trilogy than the other two.
Really there’s not many Star Wars things I actively hate, but the ones I do include Book of Boba Fett
Subverting expectations also needs to serve a purpose. If you have people use a window instead of a door to get in a house, it subverts expectations, but if nothing comes from it then it’s meaningless. Most of TLJ feels like subversions that don’t actually change anything.
Indeed, the only one I liked was funnily enough the one people complained most about… Luke throwing the saber away and being done with the whole Jedi thing. I kinda liked that, he saved the galaxy and became a legendary hero only for it to all go to shit with everyone expecting him to come back and save the day again like he’s Jesus or something, there was never going to be any reason outside of “I don’t want to be found!” that would have been anything other than a contrivance.
The rest ugh… just “Why?” Why make a location as cool of a concept as the casino planet of Canto Bight if nothing is to be done with it. Why introduce the Master Code Breaker if he’s not going to contribute anything or be important in anyway?
The Original Trilogy subverted expectations too, but it did so in a way that served the story and themes well: Yoda being the absolute best example, we think he’s a comic relief muppet just there to be funny, but it turns out he actually is this wise and powerful warrior teaching us a lesson
In Last Jedi, the Master Codebreaker just looks over to our heroes, decides not to help them, and it never referred to again…
There’s never any point to him, there’s no “Heroes aren’t what they’re cracked up to be” statment, nothing, he’s just… there… they find A codebreaker that isn’t the one they were sent for, but he just betrays the group, does some “both sides” shit we’re supposed to think is profound, and ultimately ensures nothing is actually accomplished, making the entirety of Canto Bight pointless filler.
I wanna like Last Jedi, there’s some good stuff. I like the subversion of Kylo Ren being the one to kill Snoke, I like that there was no deeper meaning to Snoke he was just a puppet of Sidious, I like Rey and Ren teaming up to fight the Crimson Guard, I like Rose stopping Finn from sacrificing himself, I like the whole message of “Defending what we love.” being what’s important, I like the stand-off between the First Order and Luke’s Projection, but I don’t like that so much of the movie is wasted on the slowest high speed spaceship chase in history for no other reason than Rian Johnson thinking he’s smarter than he really is.
