We realize that most Americans didn’t vote for Trump (only 49.8%) and that most of those who did probably didn’t understand what tariffs are and how they work and we realize that Trump’s action and our response are going to hurt poor Americans, and poor Americans in red states more than others, but we’re not going to take illegal tariffs sitting down.
Just a reminder who Trump is pissing off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHSaHRd4Q48
https://www.911memorial.org/connect/blog/lend-hand-do-what-you-can-remembering-generosity-gander
Only 31.8% of Americans voted for him. The plurality winner was “didn’t vote.”
American here. Please keep doing this.
^ Another American here; and I second this notion! ^
We should do this in America, too, and for all sports.
Yes, Please.
I don’t think non-Canadians know how angry we have to be to boo a national anthem. We’d cheer for the North Korean anthem if they sent a hockey team for us to play against.
I don’t think you know how embarrassed Americans, who didn’t vote for this twit, are about how he is treating our closest and most important ally.
I’m one of those embarrassed Americans who voted against this. Canadians have every right to be angry.
I won’t give a pass to americans just because they didn’t vote for him. There’s a lot of americans who just didn’t vote, period. Anyone who didn’t actively cast a ballot in opposition to that fuck stain of a president is just a guilty of him being there as the ones who did vote for him. Considering only 152,320,193 people voted in the 2024 US election from a population or 340,110,988, where 268,687,680 of them are over 18, that leaves roughly some 100 million people who could have voted against this but chose not to. More people just didn’t vote than voted for either the Democrats or republicans. As far as I’m concerned, those people really didn’t care if a fascist government was elected and really don’t care about anyone but themselves. So I won’t accept apologies from americans trying to wash their hand of this. Their government has threatened Canada’s sovereignty, has thrown the first attack, and I blame every single american person that voted for trump, or couldn’t be bothered to go out and vote against him, whatever their reason may be.
As the great Canadian band Rush once sang: “If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.”
They don’t get to wash their hands of the fascist government just because they chose to ignore the problem rather than cast a vote. They decided the prospect of fascism was just as bad as having a black woman as president.
IMHO Embarrassing doesn’t even begin to describe the situation.
Maybe it’s just me, but I assume they’re talking about Americans who didn’t vote for Trump here, not folks who didn’t vote.
And if they are an American using Lemmy it’s probable that they did vote, and didn’t vote for Trump. If they were lazy they would be using Reddit.
Just for people who don’t know, this never happens. Hockey fans tend to be respectful during other country’s anthems
Yes. See the link in the original post that includes a Canadian hockey audience finishing the US national anthem when the PA system went out.
Hockey fans booing another team’s anthem is not done.
As an American that didn’t vote for this clusterfuck, I totally support this. Apparently we need our allies, who we are trying to alienate, to stand up for us.
That 49.8% is misleading - it implies that 49.8% of the country support him, but it counts only the votes that were actually cast. He only got votes from about 30% of eligible voters.
Of course we can’t know who all those non-voters wanted to win, but I’d rather not imply that nearly half of all americans voted for him.
Of course we can’t know who all those non-voters wanted to win, but I’d rather not imply that nearly half of all americans voted for him.
Who gives a shit? Those non-voters made an active choice to not matter. Makes sense to respect that choice and ignore their existence.
People always bring this up as if it’s some indication that things arent quite as bad as they seem. Why? Americans chose this in every way that matters.
Keep in mind that quite a lot of those people are lower class citizens who can’t afford to take a day off work to vote. If you’re living paycheck to paycheck, not getting one day of pay can be crippling.
Sure, it’s easy to say they should bear the cost to save the nation, but none of us are feeding their kids or paying their bills. And it isn’t us who go homeless because they voted.
While I’m sure this is true for many, where I live early voting is super easy and convenient. I’m willing to bet the vast majority of people that did not vote could very easily have done so, they just didn’t for non logistical reasons.
I wouldn’t be so sure. It’s a time honored tradition for red states to make it significantly more difficult to vote. Shutting down voting locations in busy (so blue) areas, not accepting mail in votes, etc.
The red state I live in does not do this. Anecdotal of course
You don’t think there’s any problem with using only your viewpoint and experience as a guide for judging the entire nation?
Yep, which is why I pointed out that it’s anecdotal. But I’m also seeing a bunch of comments that are just generalizations with no actual sources. So my anecdote has some value at least.
Regardless of that; another shenanigan exists for those who did make it to the polls; Gerrymandering.
Yes; it’s horrid as it sounds and it limits the voting power of lower class people, as well as the power of people who are considered to be “ethnic minorities” by the party in power. If there’s a neighborhood of blacks next to a poor neighborhood; well both find themselves districted together and their cumulative votes are diminished by how the votes are counted by district such that a 2-3 victory for Democrats; is actually counted as a 2-3 victory for the Republicans…all because the Republicans were already in power somehow and managed to re-district the place so that the vote result never changes anything…unless the unlikely event that all three neighborhoods choose to vote the same way occurs.
Yet another shenanigan exists where voting rolls are frequently “purged” due to false assertions of fraud and onerous and routine registration becomes necessary, which isn’t a problem if you don’t work full-time in the USA; but good luck getting a day off work if you do work full-time and need to vote. (Hint: YOU DON’T; OR ELSE YOU GET FIRED WITH NO RECOURSE!)
Even if that wasn’t enough already; many times the voting times, locations, dates and even rules change from year-to-year, and sometimes even month-to-month.
What worked this time might not work next time. From ID requirements to ballot order manipulation or even other flat out shady practices like misleading or leading poll questions on the ballot are all employed.
The media is even worse; and frequently spouts simple and blatant lies. they could literally be absolutely passionate about their issue in particular and still end up being misled or lied to; as there’s no accountability for this. This would result in mistakenly casting a vote for the wrong candidate who would then go on to not represent the will or needs of the citizens voting for them once they’re in power.
The average American, just simply can’t always be on top of every one of these things 24/7. It’s easy to get taken by any one of them by surprise.
where i live, voting is not necessarily easy or convenient for folks relying on public transport. that much harder if they are, say, a working single parent living below the poverty level. and my work involves talking to people like this every day - there are millions like them.
Do you think they would have voted if somebody drove them from their house to the polling place and back home? What would they need in order to convince them to vote? Mail in ballots? Polling places within X distance of their house? Anything else?
I’m sure it’s the cynic in me, but I just think that the people staying home just don’t care enough to actually vote. If they did, they would figure out a way to do so.
For instance, a working single parent below the poverty level probably knows that voting for the millionaire over the billionaire is not going to impact their life, so why bother wasting time voting?
to your last point, you’re not wrong. a lot of people are so fucked they know it doesn’t really matter, and i won’t blame them for the state of the nation.
I would have early voted if I knew I could. I legitimately didn’t know that was an option for myself until if was over. I thankfully was able to go on voting day, so it’s ok. But for the first time in my voting life, I never received my voting pamphlet with all the usual info as well as my voting location. I had to look everything up and that really made me mad. So I could easily understand some people legitimately missing their opportunity to vote because they weren’t provided the information to be able to get out there and do it.
You got paid leave right?
And even so why would you need to take a day of to vote? We have over a 100 people we can vote for here in NL and we often do it before or after work
Paid leave is great, for people who work full time jobs that offer it. Not all full time jobs do, and no part time jobs offer it at all. Tell me, do you have the statistics of how many people in the US get paid leave? As for voting before work, how do you do that when you have to work multiple jobs to survive? Where I live, there’s only one voting location for a whole medium population city, and the wait was about four hours, and the line was several blocks long. You weren’t allowed to leave the line without losing your place, and you weren’t allowed to bring food or water to anyone in line.
Republicans make it as hard as possible to vote. So while I’m glad you live in a state where voting is easy, it’s a bit selfish for you guys to imagine everyone has it as well as you do. We don’t. Not to mention, it’s a bit ableist to insist everyone is even capable for standing in line for the amount of time some people reported last November. And with Trump in power again, next election, if we even have one, is going to be that much harder. Mail in and early voting is probably going to be curtailed or abolished in many red states. New federal rules will likely be enacted, and I have no doubt that voting locations are going to get even scarcer. Fewer people will be able to vote next election, and it’s not because those people don’t care, it’s because that’s the whole point of everything fascists do.
Excuse me for my ignorance, i keep forgetting the US only acts like it’s a first world country to the outside world, but it is basically a shit hole in the mean time.
Most of these things I couldn’t know and we get a lot of news about the US here in NL.
Voting here takes like 10 minutes and there are multiple voting locations available. A town with 2k people will have 2 or 3 voting locations and you can also vote in other cities.
Edit: I was not talking about freelance work, but parttimes on contract, they get paid leave as well
Oh, part time workers don’t get any benefits here at all. Not even health insurance. And contract workers aren’t even classified as employees, which is why a lot of corps like Uber classify their workers as contractors. It means they don’t have to provide any benefits, and they don’t get any protections regular works get, since they aren’t employees. They’re just workers.
It makes sense to billionaires.
That doesn’t sound like are actual parttime workers, but either freelancers or “small business owners” who get hired.
I dislike billionaires just like the next person, but this also exists in other countries where billionaires either don’t exist or don’t gave the impact.
Part of it is because people think it’s better (at least here in NL) because they earn more after taxes, but in the long term it’s more expensive and because it used to be better for businesses. Now we mainly see a lot of people who wish to work like that.
Those non-voters matter a lot because Trump is acting like he has some kind of enormous overwhelming mandate, and there is no evidence to back that up.
Trump is acting like Trump. Talk of a ‘mandate’ is piffle, like almost anything he says.
So what? Play it out. What, the GOP Congress invoke the 25th and remove him ? They’ll impeach him? He does need a mandate. He won the last election he’ll ever need to. Media is controlled by a few billionaires who all support him. How people feel doesn’t matter anymore.
If the peole believe he has an overwhelming mandate, they will be a lot slower to kick him in the teeth. It will soon be too late.
Half of voters are in his cult. They will literally eat shit before they abandon him in the way you’re implying. Stop acting like you’re dealing with rational actors.
They’re just trying to cope with the situation by playing games with statistics. You’re absolutely right though, non-voters don’t matter and there’s no point in talking about them as much as we do.
I agree that talking about non-voters in that context isn’t useful but we definitely should talk about non-voters more in regards to why they didn’t vote. Is it cause in a number of states voting access is really hard? Is it due to not liking either party and not feeling like there are good candidates? I think understanding that more could really give a better understanding of this block of people, is it really just people who don’t care about politics and would never care enough to vote or is it people who just don’t have the time to deal with navigating the system to be able to vote.
This is the same percentage of the population it’s been for 50 years. Any question you could want to ask has been asked many times already. How many more times do we need to ask them before we’re satisfied with the answers?
The reason? Electoral college. Why vote in the majority of states where the result is already predetermined?
I think that’s definitely a big reason for non-swing state voters but I do also think how hard it can be to vote in some states is a pretty bit barrier too. If you look at turnout data by state theres a reason a lot of the red states with the more strict laws have lower turnout compared to my home state of Oregon which isn’t a swing state yet still can get 75% turnout in 2020 even though it’s a solid blue state, cause we do full vote by mail.
100 million people being armed with guns matter. Their families will die if they fight for or against another.
“I didn’t vote” doesn’t protect your family from bullets, it makes them fodder for both sides. (I think the Democrats are shit, but by no means would I ever think ANY Republican has been better than the average Democrat
People that didn’t vote also supported him
Life’s more complicated then that, try not to alienate the people that need convincing.
No, they have blood on their hands too. Sure they aren’t covered in it like MAGA Carrie, but they didn’t take 30 minutes out of their day to vote to stop this.
I would add one big caveat to that: voter suppression. Voting day isn’t a holiday, many MANY people have to work, and between Republicans doing all they can to make mail-in ballots inaccessible and closing polling stations to the point where people are standing out in the heat for upwards of 4 hours to get into a place to vote, let alone purging voting rolls so close to the election that there wasn’t enough time for people to register again (and nonsense voter ID requirements), I can’t blame some people for outright not having the ability to vote.
Anybody who had the ability to and chose not to? Yeah, blood is on their hands. The time to push for the changes that everybody wants is not 3 months once every 4 years, but the time leading up to those 3 months.
They also threw out over 2 million mail in ballots this year and black voters were nine times more likely than white voters to have their mail in ballots rejected.
