There is a coup occurring now

  • shoulderoforion@fedia.io
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    18 hours ago

    It’s not a coup if it’s not against the Leadership of a sovereign nation

    What it is, is a Constitutional Crisis led by the Executive Branch (Trump, and his minion Musk with Trumps permission and direction) disregarding Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution is known as the “taxing and spending clause.” Clause 2 is known as the “borrowing clause.”, against the Legislative Branch (Congress), which will ultimately be decided by the Judicial Branch (The Supreme Court)

    The very bad news is all 3 Branches of US Government are squarely in control of Republicans, since the last election in November, who are blindly supporting Trump

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      18 hours ago

      It still could be a coup inside the coup, where Musk takes control of so much of the administration that he can set the stage for a final coup to take down Trump and impose himself.

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        More than likely he’d just end up a puppet president. Musk wouldn’t need to sit in the seat if Trump did his bidding.

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          Man can you imagine Elon as a president? Jeb Bush was cringe but Elon would hit cringe and awkward levels off the charts…

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      17 hours ago

      It’s not a coup if it’s not against the Leadership of a sovereign nation

      I don’t think that’s a prerequisite. We talk of military coups all the time and most of them are thoroughly domestic affaires.

      That doesn’t detract from the rest of what you said however.

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        you’re confusing the words sovereign and domestic in a way I don’t understand. again, a coup is the illegal taking and transferring of power from the leader of a sovereign nation to someone or a group of someone’s not duly empowered to assume that role. that’s not what’s transpiring currently. but we sure as shit are in the middle of a constitutional crisis between the executive branch and the legislative branch.

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          17 hours ago

          This is not a courtroom, and your prescriptive weasel words are tiresome.

          This is a coup that started January 6, 2021, and is continuing now.

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        16 hours ago

        Trump cannot commit a coup, because he is already the head of state. Military coups occur when military generals step in to illegally claim the abilities of the head of state (or government) from someone else who had them legally.

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          9 hours ago

          There are many types of coup, it’s not limited to military coup. If Trump stays, it’s called a self coup.

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          12 hours ago

          Per the Constitution, the US government is comprised of 3 co-equal branches. The Executive Branch is only one branch, not the government itself, so technically its taking over of the entire government could be looked at as a coup. So far the other two branches are either cooperating (legislative) or sitting idly by (judicial), so we don’t know yet whether this is a coup by the executive or just the entire government saying fuck the Constitution, we’re done with that.

          You could also say, since this is supposed to be a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, that it is a coup against the people–but the problem there is that, assuming the election wasn’t interfered with, “the people” elected this government.

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      18 hours ago

      It’s also a breach of the oath taken to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution. But an oath is only as good as the intent of the maker.

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      14 hours ago

      I agree with you but am also mentally leaving room to swap who is whose minion, because that is not entirely clear to me at this point.