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    still quoting literal US propaganda. you have to break free from it if you want any chance of doing anything about your fascism.

    the advances in healthcare education and overall well being in all metrics for people living in that time are a historical fact.

    Stalinism

    stalinism doesn’t even exist lmao, please actually study some history instead of scanning wikipedia for anti-communist sentiment.

    there are plenty of valid criticism you could muster about the soviet union without showing how ignorant you actually are about it.

    but then again, if you and most other us people did, history wouldnt be repeating in your backyard.

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      still quoting literal US propaganda.

      I’m quoting literally Russian sources. You responding that 2+2=5 doesn’t help you at all. Even if there is a rare person who doesn’t already know that 2+2=4, they can easily look it up. In addition, since you are someone who is obviously anti-American, why would any American listen to you about American politics? We know that you have no interest in helping Americans, and what Stalin and Lenin would think about something is completely irrelevant to us. Russians lost the Cold War because Lenin and Stalin massively enshitified it after stealing control from the people.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn

      [Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn[a][b] ⓘ (11 December 1918 – 3 August 2008)[6][7] was a RUSSIAN author and SOVIET dissident who helped to raise global awareness of political repression in the Soviet Union, especially the Gulag prison system. He was awarded the 1970 Nobel Prize in Literature “for the ethical force with which he has pursued the indispensable traditions of Russian literature”.[8] His non-fiction work The Gulag Archipelago “amounted to a head-on challenge to the Soviet state” and sold tens of millions of copies.[9]]

      there are plenty of valid criticism you could muster about the soviet union

      Yes I really don’t get why you chose to make yourself an irrelevant fossil. There is plenty of reasonable critiques of capitalism you could make without defending the USSR which was every bit as bad as Nazi Germany. You defending Lenin and Stalin is going to be rightly viewed exactly the same as another guy coming here and defending Hitler. If you are socialist, the smartest thing you can do is to do everything you can to distance yourself from Lenin and Stalin. The world has already seen what their version of “socialism” looks like and it is absolutely horrible. In order to taken seriously, you would need to make it very clear that your view of socialism has absolutely nothing in common with Lenin and Stalin.

      Solzhenitsyn wrote about 2000 pages on the Lenin/Stalin Gulag.

      https://archive.org/details/TheGulagArchipelago-Threevolumes/The-Gulag-Archipelago__vol1__I-II__Solzhenitsyn/

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        you are literally quoting a russian defector. the cia has already declassified it paid plenty of these to smear the soviet union, especially around stalins time.

        have you actually read the book you keep pasting here?

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          you are literally quoting a russian defector.

          All 3 volumes of his book were written long before he was exiled by the Soviets. The fact that he was kicked out of his own country by his embarrassed government doesn’t make one single word of it untrue. And his earlier book about the Soviet Gulag under Stalin was personally approved by Soviet leader Kruschev.

          of these to smear the soviet union, especially around stalins time.

          How come Soviet leader Kruschev personally approved the authors earlier book about the Soviet Gulag for publication in the USSR? This was the book written “around Stalin’s time”. You can read that book here.

          https://archive.org/details/onedayinlifeofiv0000solz_i4j0

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Day_in_the_Life_of_Ivan_Denisovich

          That you don’t understand the timeline of what, when and where things were published is proof you don’t have the faintest idea what was actually going on. And the fact that you are extremely comfortable with casual dishonesty, even more than Trump, is why you don’t have any credibility here.

          the cia has already declassified

          LMFAO! It was never “classified” in America. Why the fuck would anybody in America “classify” a book written by a Russian inside Russia about Russia?

          it paid plenty

          The CIA paid Stalin to throw Solzhenitsyn in jail for 7 years so that he could collect his material?..LMFAO. How come he had very little money? What the fuck could he have even used money for in the USSR since there was nothing to buy and the author spend all but the last 4 years of his life inside Russia and never even imagined he would be allowed to leave?

          have you actually read the book you keep pasting here?

          I have. If you had read it you would know that Lenin and Stalin did more to destroy socialism than any other people in history. They started out by killing all the real Socialists in Russia, the Menshiviks. Socialism was popular around the world in the early 20th century until Lenin and Stalin killed it by pretending to be “socialists” and associating socialism in the minds of people with a totalitarianism nightmare. Stalin even became the official ally of fellow dictator Adolf Hitler.