A closed-door meeting for House Democrats this week included a gripe-fest directed at liberal grassroots organizations, sources tell Axios.

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    At this point should I just register Republican instead so I can try to get more progressive Republicans in their primary? I’m pretty sure the DNC has disappeared up its own asshole.

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      This has nothing at all to do with the “DNC”. It is a completely different group.

      [A closed-door meeting for House Democrats]

      so I can try to get more progressive Republicans

      LOL Those went completely extinct in 1980. Your only choice would be between archconservative extremists and full scale reactionaries.

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        I mean… Are they not members of the democratic party? I don’t get to blame party leadership for bad party strategy, cohesion, or lack of overall tactics or messaging?

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          “DNC” is a small specific group within the Democratic Party that is focused on a specific role (primary elections). The House Democratic Caucus is another specific group within the Democratic Party made up of members of congress, and a totally different group than “The DNC”.

          I don’t get to blame party leadership

          You were not blaming the congressional party leadership that this article is referring to. You were blaming a completely different group that had nothing to do with this. Nobody in the House Democratic Caucus that this article is about gives a shit what “The DNC” thinks about this.

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            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee

            The Democratic National Committee (DNC) is the principal executive leadership board of the United States Democratic Party. According to the party charter, it has “general responsibility for the affairs of the Democratic Party between National Conventions”,[1] and particularly coordinates strategy to support Democratic Party candidates throughout the country for local, state, and national office, as well as works to establish a “party brand” and to formulate the party platform.

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              [“A closed-door meeting for House Democrats…”]

              What part of “House Democrats” do you NOT understand? Nowhere in the article is “DNC” mentioned.

              particularly coordinates strategy to support Democratic Party candidates

              Do you not understand what “candidates” mean? All of the people involved here were elected congressmen – NOT “candidates”. There is no reason whatsoever an elected member of congress would give a shit what “the DNC” thinks unless they are in an ongoing election with a very close race and cannot raise enough money on their own.

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                Let’s go slowly so you can follow my thought process.

                1. They are members of the Democratic Party. You cannot dispute that.

                2. The Democratic Party is a political organization.

                3. The DNC is the leadership of the Democratic Party.

                4. I am dissatisfied with the DNC’s handling of the party.

                5. These Democrats in the article doing as they please and, as you said, don’t care about what the DNC thinks is the exact symptom of the exact problem I’m talking about.

                Are you familiar with the phrase it starts at the top? Maybe if the party exhibited stronger leadership and more unity, you wouldn’t have factions running amok with no unified front.

                Do you remember how unified the Republican Party was when Obama was elected? That’s a unified front.

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                  They are members of the Democratic Party.

                  Not relevant. I’m a “member” of the Dem party and I had nothing to do with this.

                  The DNC is the leadership of the Democratic Party.

                  Dem senators and congressmen are government employees who have a completely different leadership of completely different organizations: The House Democratic Caucus and the Senate Democratic Caucus. The “DNC” is head of a private organization that effectively does little more than run primary campaigns. None of the Dem congressmen, senators, or presidential candidates work for “the DNC”. None of them think that “the DNC” is their “leader”. Unless it is primary campaign season, none of them have any reason to listen to “the DNC”.

                  I am dissatisfied with the DNC’s handling of the party.

                  All they do is run the primaries so that Dems can choose their candidates. If you are “dissastisfied”, then maybe send them your suggested changes to the rules. But that has zero to do with the leadership of the House Democratic Caucus which is what this article is about.

                  These Democrats in the article doing as they please and, as you said, don’t care about what the DNC thinks is the exact symptom of the exact problem I’m talking about.

                  The House Democratic Caucus is right to not care at all what “the DNC” thinks about anything. They are an organiation of government employees and the DNC is a private organization. And we are right to criticize the leadership of the House Democratic Caucus for their bad leadership.

                  Are you familiar with the phrase it starts at the top?

                  Unless there is a Dem president, there is no “top”. Only a tiny minority of members of the House Democratic Caucus are also members of the DNC.

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                    Oh man, you just deleted the abstractum of hierarchies! Amazing job!

                    So when the party has a president there’s leadership, and when there’s no president, there are no leaders, amazing! Heisenberg’s leadership!

                    Anyway, here is an excerpt copied from The Charter and By Laws of the Democratic Party of The United States:

                    ARTICLE THREE

                    Democratic National Committee

                    Section 1.

                    The Democratic National Committee shall have general responsibility for the affairs of the Democratic Party between National Conventions, subject to the provisions of this Charter and to the resolutions or other actions of the National Convention.

                    This responsibility shall include, but not be limited to:

                    (a) issuing the Call to the National Convention; (b) conducting the Party’s Presidential campaign; © filling vacancies in the nominations for the office of President and Vice President; (d) formulating and disseminating statements of Party policy; (e) providing for the election or appointment of a Chairperson, five Vice Chairpersons, one of whom shall be the President of the Association of State Democratic Committees and one of whom shall be the Vice Chairperson for Civic Engagement and Voter Participation, a Treasurer, a Secretary, and a National Finance Chair, who, with the exception of the Chairperson, shall be as equally divided as practicable according to gender at the quadrennial election, as defined in the Democratic National Committee Charter, Article Nine, Section 16, and for the filling of vacancies that occur outside of the regularly scheduled elections of the President of the Association of State Democratic Committees, all in accordance with Rules of Procedure adopted by the Democratic National Committee; and other appropriate officers who shall be as equally divided as practicable according to gender; and (f) all other actions necessary or appropriate in order to carry out the provisions of this Charter and the objectives of the Democratic Party.