Idk what you’re talking about most Americans are mad at the state of out country
Bread and circuses.
Though that’s a little antiquated, so now it’s “high fructose corn syrup and superbowl”.
Brainwashing from the moment they were born
My education in California was only to facilitate me becoming a wage slave.
The majority aren’t at the point where they are willing to sacrifice everything yet. They have families, homes, food, friends. Currently the administration hasn’t taken away enough from enough people to get it really going. It will be coming though. People just haven’t felt the affects yet
As a young man (I’m under 30) with 2 kids I feel stuck like this. A lot of the protesting actions I would have taken are tapered by “I have to be around for my kids”, but at the same time this country is not how I want my kids to be raised in and I don’t know my own red line for this. Suffice to say if I’m thinking about this 3 weeks into Trump’s America, then I hope I will feel compelled to be more active. NYC might be coming to a heat with the Mayor Adam’s BS so I’m keeping my eye out for any manifestations in the city.
Why not?
Because people believe that they might be able keep what they have if they keep quiet and also believe they might loose their way or life or in general their life if they take up arms
Their way of life is disintegrating before their eyes. Even the people who have generational wealth will start to see their small hoard be taken. What they really want is to ride it out as long as possible and they think the status quo will save them. They think the status quo is invincible. I’m telling you the status quo just got purged from the government but keep on hoping.
Serious question: wouldn’t the MAGA/Republicans just pick up arms in return?
It feels like the divide in the US is so massive right now that you can’t agree on anything at all. No offence intended…There are less maggats then you think. And many of them if seeing a revolution would switch sides quickl
I’m mad, but what? Once we pull out the guillotines there’s no going back, so right now I’m hoping that checks and balances thing starts to kick in soon.
I agree. I fought very hard for harm reduction. I just think the time for that has came and went. Now we have to mobilize the population and that’s like a 10 year ordeal, if it’s possible at all. It’s slow going but we gave the democrats 8 years to do something I think 10 years for the people to get their act together might be doable.
Republicans have majority control over the media. They don’t know what’s happening because their news doesn’t cover it.
I’m not even American and I’m mad. Most of what I’ve heard from Americans is that they’re mad.
Same. I’m so mad and disappointed in America, but I can’t let that override my compassion for its people. This whole thing is so frustrating to watch. Look at how the French do it, Americans! It’s time to break some shit.
You have compassion for us Americans, and that’s nice, but bear in mind we voted for this. As much as the people who voted for Trump may have done so out of desperation, we still made a catastrophically stupid decision. Trump isn’t the problem, he’s a symptom. The problem lies in the American people. We have been squashed by both our government and our corporations. We need a wake-up call, and if that means we need to suffer from our own choices then so be it. Maybe we haven’t suffered enough yet. If we’re so dumb that we vote for a malignant narcissist like Donald Trump, maybe we need to be squashed a bit more. We have the power to take back our country, we just need the will to do it. Maybe that comes from more hardship and regret. Maybe that comes from more suffering.
But maybe not. Maybe I’m wrong. I’m so disappointed with my own countrymen right now, maybe I’m not seeing things clearly. I don’t know. But I know we deserve what we voted for. The world doesn’t, and that’s a tragedy, but maybe America needs to take a hit and the world needs to rely less on us for both America and the world to be better. Again, I don’t know.
we voted for this
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Did we? There are some suspicions of voter fraud in some swing states and it sure as hell isn’t below musk to attempt something like that.
Yet, I think that the past MAGA crazies screaming about “election fraud” and “stop the steal” has poisoned the well for legitimate future calls for investigating potential fraud in elections. On top of that it also makes people that question the results sound like the crazies of the past.
It could explain why trump is allowing so much power to musk.
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Source: I have no source. It’s all feels over reals and a partial lack of acceptance that so many American people are that dumb.
We can’t just claim that an undesirable outcome is the likely really of election fraud… I do wish the result was different but sewing a rumor that has no credible basis in reality serves minimal value.
I completely agree that we can’t blindly blame this on election fraud, that is a form of denial. Which I will admit is part of my Tinfoil hat rant above.
But if there are credible sources that are stating they have doubts about the legitimacy of the results there should be an investigation. Note, this isn’t really about this past election, I know of no evidence that shows fraud only slight rumblings from “unknown sources” which isn’t legitimate to me.
My concern is that the Stop the Steal movement, that was using weak or even made up evidence to support their cause has made future allegations less likely to be taken seriously.
I’m not American, but from what I can see, its mostly:
- Apathy
- Not being clued in
- Beliving nothing can be done
Not being clued in is a serious problem here. A lot of people dont take in any form of news whatsoever
Beliving nothing can be done
This one in particular has been so corrosive. I believe if people believed in their vote, something would change. But the electoral college does more harm than good by diluting the vote. Couple that with gerrymandering to completely erode people’s trust in the system.
and #4: we dont believe if we take a bold step forward that our neighbors will show solidarity and endurance, which then puts us at risk of prosecution. A lot of us have kids to protect.
The last one is insistent. Probably because there is a lot of truth to it but it’s also obviously flawed and deserves more nuance.
It feels like there is little that can be done individually, but collectively everyone can do a lot.
The USA is a big nation. Lots of people from very diverse backgrounds. Coming together for a common cause isn’t something that happens everyday.
Especially since 2 Americans with multiple generations of American ancestry can have drastically different historical experiences.
Because a third of Americans are uninformed, another third is misinformed and thinks the current administration is in line with their goals, the other third is being gaslit by the other 2/3s that this is normal… And for those not buying the gaslighting, they are ignored and still too small of a group to do much.
I’m pissed off. I don’t know what I’m supposed to do about it. If there’s a protest near me I’ll join it. If I see somebody getting fucked with by a Nazi I’ll step in but I have responsibilities and a job and can’t really afford to travel. So until shit really kicks off I’m kind of stuck in this state where I can’t do anything.
All this is happening thousands of miles away from me behind locked doors.
We all are. The left and the right.
We have all been told from different sources who or what to be mad about.
Some were so mad about contrived issues they voted in someone who campaigned on destroying the federal government.
Others are pissed off that that person who was voted in is destroying the federal government.
The outrage machine literally is why the fascist pig is in the Whitehouse in the first place.
What you might be asking is why we aren’t rioting in the streets. Just know that some of us are 4 times as far from our countries capital as London is from Berlin. In a blue state, who would I be protesting to? The people who already agree with me?
Protests don’t work if the people in power don’t care. One dude with a gun did more to shake up people in power than any recent protest has. Look how Elon wears his kids as human shields now. Protests are to bring awareness, the world is aware. We are now in need of people willing to take action.
So, logistics?
If you ever need a ride ;-) <3
30 years of watching progressive movements flounder and civil action lead to absolutely zero substantial changes has given me a defeatist attitude. What good is getting mad? It’s not like it will change anything.
From the outside it seems that your progressive movements were a pretty good tool to spread thin the effort that could have gone someplace right, and also to weaken movements which were targeted at the real problems (for example, in the small world of FOSS it’s how FSF and GNU were slowly marginalized into something perceived as unreasonable and Stallman specifically pressed out, and no, his logically correct defense of some kinds of pedophilia and him being generally cringe were not the reason).
Also let’s please remember that everyone flocking to centralized platforms was welcomed by those progressive movements, their activists for whichever reason thought that the scale and the censorship will work in their favor and not those calling to fell the tall trees.
So - this is the logical outcome of what various movements have been doing. This part should make you optimist. And the feeling that you can’t certainly show at something at say that it will succeed should be liberating, not depressing.
Why cling to the defeatist attitude? It defeats itself. Why have a defeatist attitude when defeat is inevitable?
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Like it or not social media got us here. Just not your social media. I could argue with you all day but I won’t. Your message is stupid and a self defeating prophecy. 350000000 people in the US and I don’t need to turn you. I need to reach any other of the 3499999999 who won’t waste my time.
Ever get tired of the hole you live in come join us on the surface. Our drill is the drill that will pierce the heavens.
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I dunno, they seem to be mad. It’s just most of them are wrong about who they should be mad at and why
I think internet in general specifically social media. It allows you to vent your frustrations without doing actual damage. It’s also easy to disconnect compared to marching to the streets.
I think social media has done tons of damage. It think it brought together a group of people who would have never found each other, because they don’t have any decernable skills, and let them spread and consume misinformation at alarming rates.
Lack of organization. We’re many of us individually mad, but there is no organization.
Say what you will but Jan 6th and then some is what we should be doing, but we aren’t.
All I’m doing now is hoarding ammunition and periodically buying more guns because I 1000% believe we’re going to see war soon.
I’m also donating money to charities, helping people in my community that are struggling, and telling fascists to fuck off.
I don’t own a gun and, personally, I find the idea barbaric.
But at this point I acknowledge that it’s time to arm myself. This is how far our society has degenerated.
However, I 100% disagree with Jan 6. That was a bunch of children with absolutely zero understanding of what they were doing. That was an example of how NOT to have a meaningful rebellion against an oppressive system. Those were fools behaving like fools and cheapening the idea of activism. They had no grasp of what they were doing or why. They were the antithesis of a true patriot that wants what is best for their society and goes about achieving that in a responsible, effective manner that inspires people to be the best version of a democratic citizen. They should not be idolized. They are an embarrassment to our nation.
We should be setting a better example. We are shaming this democracy in a way that makes me physically ill. We are acting in a way as to paint us as failures in a historical context to future generations and it is truly shameful. This is our legacy.
How do we set a better example / take the high road but actually make progress though?
Lawsuits and protests are going to do nothing at this point.
