• BlueFootedBooby@lemm.ee
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    2 days ago

    Humans invented and seem to naturally gravitate to capitalism, it’s not some cosmic evil imposed on them. They’re still a virus.

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      Humans invented and seem to naturally gravitate to capitalism

      Do we naturally gravitate towards capitalism? I’d say we gravitate towards communism on family to tribal scales. Seems like capitalism or its precursor takes hold after one group conquers another and exploitation begins.

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        18 hours ago

        Closer, Capitalism is just another development in class society that arose alongside industrialization. Tribal communism is different from post-Socialist communism, in that tribes are small units and Communism would be one massive unit. Just like tribal communism, feudalism, and socialism, capitalism arises alongside material development and will fade with it as well, through revolution.

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      It would be nice if communism was an emergent behavior of humanity. It’s got to be forced from the top down with a vanguard.

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        18 hours ago

        Vanguards don’t force anything, they drive the spearpoint. In Russia, China, Cuba, etc the vanguards have all gained legitimacy through mass support of the working masses. You have it backwards.

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          We need a real path to communism. That means we need to completely control the population. It can be a mix of manufactured support and oppressive support, it doesn’t matter too much. Any deviation from the path needs severe punishment.

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            9 hours ago

            I have no idea what you’re trying to say here. Why does any of this “complete control” need to exist? Genuinely, what do you even think Communism is?

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              A stateless and classless society can’t come about without major conditioning. We are on a very short timeline and we can pussyfoot around with half measures.

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                What do you mean when you say we are on a “short timeline” for reaching statelessness and classless society? Such a society can only be achieved gradually through a long period of Socialism. Revolution is necessary, but afterwards we must build towards it.

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                  Our capitalistic tendencies is our killing our planet. I’d estimate we have about 200 years to change or risk real extinction. I’m firmly in the anarchist camp but we don’t have the time to gradually fit a form we’re not naturally attributed to.

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                    Climate change is addressible through Socialism, we don’t need to reach full statelessness and classless society to consider Climate Change conquered. Look to the PRC, which appears to be leading the charge in tackling Climate Change, it’s still Socialist and yet is making major strides.

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        I think it is, but the top is enforcing capitalism and reacts to anything that smells like communism.