They'll probably pin it on the actors and writers when we all know it's because they lost subscribers to their no password sharing policy.
lost subscribers to their no password sharing policy.
What, we're just gonna gloss over how absolutely dogshit their in-house "Netflix Originals" media has become?
It's also because their current shows suck, and because any shows that are actually good get shitcanned after season 2, because Netflix sees less consumer growth after two seasons.
Their saving grace is stuff like Black Mirror but to be fair that didn't start out as a Netflix original and Charlie Brooker has tight control over his property.
When they started Netflix Originals, they knocked a bunch of them out of the park, now they just make weak trash with bad CGI, costumes, and makeup.
Stuff like 13 Reasons Why or The Witcher are just straight up irredeemable trash.
It’s also because their current shows suck, and because any shows that are actually good get shitcanned after season 2, because Netflix sees less consumer growth after two seasons.
I'm always surprised at how often other people (not you) will defend this practice from Netflix. It's classic case of following the data in a stupid way. If their data shows that interest drops off after two seasons, I don't doubt it.
But… that comes with a cost. They have built a reputation as a company that doesn't properly finish shows that they start, that will leave viewers hanging. That makes it harder to get people invested in a new series, even one that's well reviewed. Why get interested in something you know will end on a cliffhanger?
That kind of secondary order impact from their decision isn't going to show up in data. Doesn't change that it happens all the same.
Just gotta say you fucking nailed it. The long-term knock-on effect of people not wanting to start a new Netflix show only to like it and for it to be cancelled is too real.
It's basically the Google Effect, with how no one gets excited about their new products these days for much the same reason.
time slots in tv were a blessing in disguise because it made the choice "what should I run in this time slot" rather than "should I run this show".
This now leads to shows getting axed when in the past they be moved to a different time slot or would be left alone until they found something better.
Also their non-fiction is pretty bad too. It's almost as bad as Amazon Prime now.
Graham Hancock's series "Ancient Apocalypse" on there is essentially nonsense.
Why did it get approved? Because his son is senior manager of unscripted originals!
Also, they have a documentary on the "Blue Zones" where people supposedly live to 100 regularly. This is pseudoscience that has been exposed as poor record keeping for years.
I mean, they employ people who are clearly completely out of touch and don't give a shit about anything but making money. They don't care about controversy as long as people are just talking about it and not suing them or bringing legal charges against them.
Ryan Murphy apparently can't figure out that since nobody wants to talk to him about this that maybe it was a bad idea to begin with. Pretty much all the families and friends of victims thought the whole thing was in incredibly poor taste. Apparently all of them rejecting being involved wasn't enough to clue Ryan Murphy into this being incredibly offensive to them.
But Netflix doesn't care about anything but money.
Like when they removed an episode Patriot Act with Hasan Minhaj's show in Saudi Arabia because they didn't want to offend anyone.
Reed Hastings on that decision:
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/11/netflix-reed-hastings-saudi-arabia-patriot-act
“We’re not in the news business,” Hastings said at the New York Times’ DealBook conference, per Variety, of the decision to remove the episode after Saudi Arabia threatened legal action. “We’re not trying to do ‘truth to power.’ We’re trying to entertain…We don’t feel bad about that at all.”
Same reason they consulted with suicide prevention organizations on 13 Reasons Why: got told that this show would increase copycat suicides and it was written in a way that glorified suicide, but fuck it, who cares, let's make some money and throw this up on Netflix!
https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/05/05/526871398/facts-about-teens-suicide-and-13-reasons-why
Even when they're told by everyone not to do it, Netflix does it because money matters more.
One Piece Live Action was better than I dared hope for. I hope the quality continues, but given their track record, I'm not holding my breath.
I'm worried it will end up like Game of Thrones and slowly go off the rails as the series goes on, ending sooner than the original series and botching the ending.
I say this as someone not particularly invested in One Piece, but I know lots of folks who are, and it would be genuinely shitty for the live action to undermine the original. I agree, I hope the quality manages to keep up to the fans expectations and in this instance, they don't flub it.
Thankfully, the difference is that One Piece is still releasing new chapters regularly, and is apparently in its final arc. So, if nothing changes, the live action will almost certainly not finish before the manga does.
I had to stop admitting how much I hated the Witcher because of the torrential down votes I would get. It was irredeemably unwatchable.
Honestly the first season gets a pass from me cause Henry cavill did a spectacular job even with lacklustre writing. That second season was a step back in every way and after finding out that they'll continue the series after cavill leaves because the writers are sh*tying on the ip, I just haven't bothered watching the 3rd season. Nothing their to keep me invested anymore.
That's sad because it's absolutely trash. Writing is trash, sets are trash, costumes are trash, makeup is trash, CGI is trash.
Also, super unpopular opinion: Cavill wasn't a very good Geralt, yet everyone wants to jerk him off like he's the only saving grace of the show. Nah, he fucking sucks, too.
I'm upvoting you for contributing to the discussion but I have to disagree. I think they did get a lot right with that show. Many of the things you mentioned. That said, the most important stuff, like the story itself, the pacing, the characters failed to hold up. The show started great and didn't know where to go from there.
I'll cop to part of that, it definitely had a good start in a lot of ways. CGI and effects in first season were far better, to be sure. Costumes were absolutely panned and changed due to how badly they were panned.
https://www.pcgamer.com/the-witchers-wrinkly-testicle-armor-has-smoothed-out-in-season-two/
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Don't forget the absolutely dogshit writing!
they lost subscribers to their no password sharing policy.
In what world? They gained subscribers when they did that lol.
Their content sucks, and people are starting to cut ties, but don't pretend it's because people were upset they couldn't share their accounts.
They lost subscribers and gained subscribers. The net total may have increased but they absolutely lost people from doing that.
Okay. You could say that if three people left and 8 million could have signed up. It'd be factually true. So?
The comment I replied to was claiming the price hike is because they lost subs because of the password changes. That implies the loss was big enough to reduce their income to the point they needed more. It's not.
Sadly they had a net increase in subs after the policy change.
Whenever businesses try to 'pin' raising prices of an already profitable product on anything, we know the real justification is this:
"We know people are going to pay it and it will make us more money. That's why we do it. We're just saying it's something else for the useful idiots who think businesses are their friends."
They actually got more subs (in most countries), its just that theyre bloating up, and compeition is happening which atm is making for a better or worse depending on how you look at it, situation for the consumer.
It's been four months since I shitcanned Netflix. Have not missed it one bit. I already wasn't watching it because it had become little more than shitty true crime documentaries.
We dumped it back in April I think? It was whenever they started actually enforcing their password policy in Canada and we saw the writing on the wall. Our experience has been just like yours. We do not miss it, at all.
Kind of a shame cuz they'll occasionally release something like Beef, but it's not worth the 1 or 2 shows a year for me.
Yar Har Fiddle Dee Dee!
You can stream pretty much anything for free here: https://fmoviesz.to/
Make sure you have uBlock Origin installed.
If you get stuck, try googling "free streaming sites reddit" and go from there.
Use your brain, not your wallet.
Ayyyy, another one to add to my collection! Thanks fam! Here's one for ya: https://onionplay.co
And ublock Origin is a must for this one as well!
We were definitely riding the cusp of cancellation for a while now, they raise the prices again and we're for sure out. Most of the content frankly sucks and what I wanted to watch on there is always locked away on some other equally shitty service. These fucking morons really don't understand how hard they're going to resurrect the pirating glory days with endless greed.
Honestly the quality is much worse now and it's noticeable. The worst thing is when it's really obviously because they've been calculating the best way to minimise costs on their best shows. Both top boy and sex education had their final seasons this year and both were rife with issues and numerous key actors just AWOL. Clearly Netflix has 3 season contracts and is playing hardball on the 4th season so people are just missing and everyone else just has to cover the slack leading to messy finales. I once thought nothing was worse than abrupt cancellations. Turns out dogsh*t endings are worse.
Why does anybody watch series from any producer anymore? They're literally all a shit show and never get completed.
That's another reason I like my video games, especially standalone games.
We all started as a frog in a pot of tepid water.
you know that this premise is wrong, right? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog
Geez, we'd be looking at north of $20/mo. for the modern quality level/resolution.
At those rates, I'll just buy a 4K Blu-ray every month. At least that way I know I'm getting good content (and better A/V quality to boot).
Go nuts on bluray around black Friday. Be willing to wait to own things til later. Gain interest in movies that flopped. Before you know it you'll own insane amounts of high quality movies for cheap.
This feels like just the next step in removing adfree plans. Keep raising prices until subscribers significantly drop. Cancel adfree plan because “no one uses it”. Netflix is the scape goat and all other services follow suit.
Boom. Back to shitty cable.
I'm so glad I can just pirate everything I want
Yeah, buying media you can get for free is just like watching ads when there are adblockers.
It's for the tech-illiterate and those with more money than sense.
Piracy is an accessibility and quality control problem, not a cost one. I pirate pretty much everything but still purchase physical releases so I can support content creators. Of course most Netflix originals never get physical releases so f*ck em.
In my case is a cost one for sure, I just cant afford to pay for every single streaming platform, I pay for spotify no problem, all my music is in there.
Piracy is an accessibility and quality control problem, not a cost one.
That depends on who you ask, lol.
You're just parroting Gabe Newell as though what he said is gospel.
He's a great man with a lot of good things to say, but this simply isn't true.
If you're paying for something you can get for free while the business selling it to you is making egregious profit, you may be a sucker.
I really wish my wife would let me cancel this.
Build her a Plex server and install Radarr and Sonarr. It's quite special. You can even configure it to automatically download movies and shows when she favourites them on Plex.
Don't fall for the plex meme. It's a meme perpetuated by techbros who like to waste their time setting things up when there are other options already there. They do this because they want to feel superior to others by having some esoteric knowledge that actually isn't relevant.
and install Radarr and Sonarr.
My god. It's sad people like you actually give "advice" like this. It just shows me how disconnected techbros are from normal people. I feel bad for anyone who gets sent down a plex/radarr/sonarr rabbit hole when other options work better.
Just use a free streaming site.
You can stream pretty much anything for free here: https://fmoviesz.to/
Make sure you have uBlock Origin installed.
If you get stuck, try googling “free streaming sites reddit” and go from there.
Use your brain, not your wallet.
A big part of why I use Jellyfin to self host is because I want local, offline access to media. I can host it on my PC, which only took like 30 minutes for me to set up, and use the app to Chromecast it to my tv. That'd be a lot harder if I was streaming off shady streaming sites.
That's completely fine if you know why you are using it.
I also love having locally-saved media in case networks go down or streaming sites disappear.
Still, for people coming from Netflix, it doesn't make sense to recommend them self-hosting unless they specifically want to self-host. For most people, they don't see the value of self-hosting and directing them to such solutions just causes them to think it's either self-hosting or paid streaming.
If you can read instructions, it's not that hard to set these things up. It's just a matter of what you value more. You can spend less than a day setting up the needed *arr software and Plex/Emby/Jellyfin/whatever and have things as you want it, or you can periodically spend time looking for new streaming sites when the one you settled in on finally gets shut down, and meanwhile, you're at the mercy of the site for what's uploaded and in what quality.
If you have it locally hosted, you also don't lose your ability to watch any of the movies you wanted to every time the internet goes out, unlike streaming sites.
If you can read instructions, it’s not that hard to set these things up.
Lol. Like I said. Posts like these just show me how disconnected techbros are from normal people.
It’s just a matter of what you value more.
Yes, and people coming from paid streaming services value convenience over complexity. They would rather have a free streaming site than learn to self-host.
You don't have to "learn how to use a streaming site" like you would need to learn how to set up a fucking technology stack, lol. I don't even know what the other two things are, and I'm a techbro. I guess I can spend more time learning and configuring instead of just entering a URL and making sure I have uBlock Origin installed.
Don't I also need to download content for it anyways? Sheeh. This is getting pretty complicated for the average netflix user!
Sigh. Don't let technology control you. Know what you're doing, and why you're doing it.
Streaming is easier if you want to watch on your laptop, but my wife likes watching on TV, using a remote to navigate. Streaming won't solve that need. Quality is also MILES better, and my wife can easily tell the difference.
Quality is definitely better if you can download it yourself.
It's also great to have the convenience of a remote. However, it's possible to set up remote controls with laptops or other computers. I don't go through the trouble of doing it though. I just use a wireless keyboard/mouse combo.
I have tried the laptop/PC-remote combo and it's bad. Plex has an HTPC build which is okay, but restrictive. She also uses YouTube and other apps, and we find the Nvidia Shield has the best UI and performance. Computer OSs also have a bad habit of stealing focus, updating, and overlaying notifications. These require a lot of effort to disable, and in Windows, it's impossible to get it all working like a dedicated streaming box.
I take your point above, though. Plex is trickier than streaming. So if the use case is laptop or maybe tablet, those streaming sites are great.
Yes, I think the worst part about using a laptop is having to plug it in and unplug it when you're finished. You'll also need a keyboard/mouse combo.
I like the design of paid streaming services and smart TV UI. Usually it's really accommodating to remote users. The problem is that it limits what you can do with it, which a computer can overcome.
I'm in the same boat. She's convinced that using twice it every 6 months is worth it. I don't even know what we pay for it these days, $14.99? Not worth making a big deal about at this point. We did cancel Hulu (better than Netflix,
imo) and paramount some months ago, so I'll take that and deal.
Ahoy me matey!
NetIncrease
Netflux
"Hmm, we just finished killing off a revenue stream, better raise rates on the other."
Yes, I'm still mad about the DVD service ending. Legitimately hurt my interest in movies.
I had it many years ago and it was great. I was actually thinking about signing up again for DVDs by mail.
I wonder how viable it is for someone to start a business doing this?
I wonder how viable it is for someone to start a business doing this?
Not viable at all.
Most people don't even have optic drives.
It probably depends on how much you trust the people handling them - scratches don't just happen, nor apparently can you trust people to report them, nor return the same DVD as what you sent them, etc. In an ideal world… well anyway, we don't live in that.
Just get a VPN and then you can download anything for free.
honestly surprised they're still in business. like, I pay for a streaming service but only because I pay for free shipping and amazon includes videos, music, and a bunch of other services, most of which I dont use.
netfilx needs to diversify or fade into obscurity.
