Stuff like this and the "base" he has created give off pretty harsh trump vibes. Here is a link confirming for those wanting one. Sorry I did not include it originally. https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.712106
What the actual fuck? I didnt know he'd said that. Isnt this the quiet part out loud.
Conservatives do that quite regularly.
Problem is that people often don't listen.
Even worse many agree
Yeah. A lot of Canadians hold suuuper regressive views about indigenous people. Try driving through or stopping for gas in a reserve with friends or family sometime and see how the react.
Because way, waaaaaay more will react, and react poorly, than you're probably prepared for.
He's said a lot of awful things. He's hung out with fascists and Nazi's. He's literally the bottom of the barrel. During the pandemic he pretty much said that the cerb was bad and Conservatives would never do that as Conservatives don't help people.
We've gotten to the rate of progress where even a normal conservative backbencher from 20 years ago will have said stuff that's now extremely dated. 20 years as an MP is right around what you need to rise to leader the normal way, I think.
Edit: To be clear, I think this is good. If you don't want to be painted a bad way by history try being on the right side of it.
I expect this clip to appear in Liberal and NDP ads during the next election campaign.
He also said afterwards that he was wrong. So there's that.
Yes. That's the plan.
He says he was wrong, the centrist media says "Well, that's all fine and good then, he's certainly prime minister material and no mistake!".
Meanwhile, the fascist dogwhistle was already blown.
Exactly.
And if you try to call it on that, they go "you're twisting my words", without actually ever explaining how their words are twisted.
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It happened 15 years ago. Nobody would have even remembered it happening at all if this CPC ad wasn't posted to remind us.
Why are we allowing political ads?
I'm sorry, aren't you one of the "hurr, durr, Trudeau blackface" crowd?
So NOW you believe people can change?
Remembering bigotry is bad, apparently.
The current pm is a racist as well… we elected him…
How do you figure that Trudeau is racist?
He dressed up as Aladdin once, so that means he hates brown people or something.
I dressed up as Davy Jones once. Means I must hate squid faced pirates!
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So in other words he doesnt like that there was pushback.
He also has said that he doesn't know where to stand on certain issues to hold political advantage. These people have no principles.
How long afterwards? Shortly, or years down the line when he had to?
June 12th, 2008. The original doesn't state which day in June he said the remarks originally, but mathematically we can determine the recant was said no more than 12 days later.
Oh, okay. I'll put my pitchfork away then. A little bit anyway, "lazy 'injuns" was still a shitty thing to say and not promising from a prospective leader, regretted or not.
This dude doesn't look like he's worked a day in his life. Kind of good to know the conservative wormy look doesn't know borders though.
This dude entered politics right from college.
Thanks for the insight. I'm just a dumb American. Apparently a lazy one according to this shit heel.
And sounds like he never left…
20 years in Parliament with zero legislative achievements. He's a pure chaos operative.
He hasn't.
I’m usually reluctant to judge a person I’ve never heard of before based on one quote with no context. Regardless, I’m pretty comfortable saying that this guy can go fuck himself.
I don't no anything about him but fuck him in the eyes until he's blind. I'm tired of racist pos getting to open their mouths and not have any consequences.
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Canada's next Prime Minster right there folks.
Oh god I hope not.
Unfortunately it seems likely. I don't think Trudeau should run again, he has lost any charm he once might have had with many voters and has too much baggage. Liberals are doomed if he runs, but they might have a chance with a fresh face.
Said it before, will say it again. I’ll vote for a chimp in a red shirt if that’s what it takes to keep this guy from being the PM.
LoL "hard work". He doesn't even know what "hard work" is, that little bitch.
For those who don't know, he's never had a full time job outside of politics, he's as far as someone can be from an everyday normal guy. Born in 1979, he's got a BA in international relations and got elected at the age of 25 after 9 years of involvement in politics in one way or another. He's been undefeated in his riding every since.
That means that at the age of 25, PP was making 141k/year and started receiving a parliamentary role bonus in 2006 when he became parliamentary secretary of the president of the Treasury board and has received one at all times ever since.
This man pretends to talk for blue collars and the poor, he's worth multiple millions, doesn't live in his own house that's 25 minutes away from the parliament because he's allowed to live in the official residence of the leader of the opposition… That's 15 minutes closer…
This guy has been living off Canadians' taxes for half of his life.
And the thing is, I know his wife. She's actually really nice. She's had a really tough life early on and nearly became homeless in high school. She had to work so hard to get through. She was lucky enough to get a higher education have the opportunity work at the Parliament.
I really don't understand how she and him got together. I really didn't expect her values to match with his. It's incomprehensible.
Kinky power exchange shit, probably.
I can't even imagine what earning double a living wage would have done to my psyche in my twenties. I'm middle aged and just now finding stability - and let me tell you, it wasn't because I kept working hard. If I'd just kept working hard, I'd still be poor.
That’s the problem with the value of hard work - it’s hardly ever decided by the one working. People who are struggling or have struggled know that first hand. The value of hard work is the value of being held hostage.
At 25 he was making double the median FAMILY income at the time!
In the words of the next generation, 💀
Rick Mercer made a rant about how he has a parliamentary pension at 31 years old.
"Yesterday on a day when the House and all Canadians were celebrating a new beginning, I made remarks that were hurtful and wrong," Poilievre said.
Buddy, it was more than just that day… lol
You don't need a PhD in political science to see Poilievre has been riding the Trump wave north of the border for the last 5-6 years.
The opposite of wheeee.
'eeeeeeewwwwww'
Fuck that work ethic bullshit. Let's live like cats.
If the right does what it always does here and votes C no matter what, the Cons won't form another government for a generation. If they seriously elect a racist populist like this guy, from a party that voted to not admit climate change exists, Millennials and Gen Z will become ABC voters for life.
So if you need some kind of (very long term) silver lining, there's that.
The problem is they'll make housing worse, peoples rights worse, and 2SLGBTQ+ lives much worse, and cause even more climate crises than we have now. Not to mention absolutely gutting our healthcare.
But again, they'll only do it once.
Except we also see Gen Z becoming increasingly polarized around issues such as gender roles, education, opportunities for social and economic progression, and other issues that are right in the fascists' wheelhouse.
The Conservatives the lie about their platform and agenda forever, so long as they have these social coals that they can blow on and stoke in the background over and over.
We can't rely on people running away from the Conservatives over and over again. We need to give them something to run toward, and no major political party in this country is doing that.
Electoral reform was the promise that swayed me to vote Liberal.
Obviously they just dropped that shit like a hot potato, as they all do. Why change what got you voted in?
and no major political party in this country is doing that.
I'd say the NDP are doing a pretty damn good job. We got higher CERB payments, and we got dental (partially) added to our medical. That's impressive especially from 3rd place, not even the official opposition. Obviously having a non-white leader causes them a lot of problems, but their policies are extremely popular, especially among youth.
I can't find the poll, but back in 2022 a poll was done on voters by age for federal voting intentions.
Seniors were about 15% NDP 40-55 were about 25% NDP 30-under were about 40% NDP
So while the Cons are making strides forward, sadly, it's because they're lying about what they'll do. And the generations coming up are very into a more left-wing swing. If you look even with the CPC in first, it's like 36% of voters. Nearly 2/3rds of voters are left wing in Canada, and eventually that's going to tip too far for even a big-tent Con party.
If they take power when things start getting really shit climate-change wise, and they still haven't even admitted it existed, those voters will shy away forever. Not to mention the CPC constantly using the same companies to help their 'image'/policies as Trump and other hard Right parties; Gen Z are going to live through that, and say never again.
I’d say the NDP are doing a pretty damn good job.
They've done a very good job at shifting progressively more to the right year over year, decade over decade, abandoning any sense that they're here to actually institute real change – and abandoning their founding principles in the process. All in the name of electability, while failing to break out of 3rd place. Like the Liberals, they've been chasing the Overton Window right for 30+ years.
Yes, they've managed to strongarm the Liberals into actually engaging in harm reduction here and there, and that's really great, but they never do anything when and where they're in power to actually show that they're in any way different from the others. When push comes to shove, they're just another neoliberal political party.
I'm confused:
They’ve done a very good job at shifting progressively more to the right year over year, decade over decade, abandoning any sense that they’re here to actually institute real change Yes, they’ve managed to strongarm the Liberals into actually engaging in harm reduction here and there
Which of these is true? Because only one can be, those are self-defeating statements.
All in the name of electability, while failing to break out of 3rd place … but they never do anything when and where they’re in power to actually show that they’re in any way different from the others.
So again, which is it? Are they never breaking out of third place, or are they in power?
He's been going hard on the idea that removing red tape for developers will solve the housing crisis, rather than developers turning the maximum profit they can because demand is so high. He thinks the market that's destroyed affordability will also solve it, if only the public has less say in what/where is allowed to be developed. NDP want to convert underutilized federal buildings in to social housing and focus on affordability rather than developer profits.
So you haven't noticed the huge swing towards populism and fascism in the younger generations these last ten years?
So where do y'all draw the line on who is covered by +?
Why does 2S make the cut but not I or A?
Is that seriously the most important thing you are concerned about?
Idk about most important, but I am curious.
Usually i see LGBT or LGBT+ or LQBTQIA, I even saw LGBTQIA2S+ one time, that's how I know what 2S even means.
Why would it need to be more than "I think I belong there"? Do we genuinely need a "line"? What impact do you think it has if everyone doesn't include the same groups in there, from both personal or societal POVs?
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This man says hard work while looking like he wouldn’t last 3 days without all the technology that the natives used to survive without. Bruh, we know what hard work is & how to do it, we just don’t give much of a fuck about doing it on your behalf.
So long as you’re still calling them “aboriginals” instead of I dunno like “The First Canadians,” then you’re making it crystal clear that you don’t care about them & you’re just mad that they aren’t letting you use, abuse, or manipulate them.
Just to be clear it is "The First Canadians" now?
i've been raised as a Gen Z to learn "first nations", though aboriginal (from the root word aborigine) also means the exact same thing, so i personally don't comprehend how someone can find offense in using that word.
maybe they are used to seeing aboriginals to describe aussi natives? still, it essentially means "first of the region", or in other words, "first of the nation".
Yeah, it's not offensive, but technically "First Nations" is a subgroup; Inuit and Métis being the other two.
How can the Métis be "first" anything? They're the product of intermarriage between native Canadians and European traders (mostly the French).
Yes, that's why First Nations refers to the folks directly decended from Native Canadians (culturally anyway), and not the Métis/Inuit.
Ad. Yes, the Inuit are Native Canadian but they prefer Inuit, and they're very culturally distinct. (Not that the array of first nations cultures aren't)
Ah. I'd misunderstood what you meant. I thought you were including the Métis among the First Nations. My bad.
I just made that up but maybe? lol I dunno
This quote is from 2008… that's 15 years ago. Back then calling them aboriginals was a politically correct term. This "first nation"/"first Canadian" trend is incredibly recent and it still isn't widely accepted.
He has never held a job outside politics so that is the reason he looks as though he has never done a days work.
Is indigenous frowned upon too? I don't want to be rude, but I can't keep up.
indigenous, aboriginal, and aborigine, mean exactly the same thing. anyone getting offended at any of these word usages probably doesn't know the definiton.
Aboriginal should be same as indigenous, but "aborigine" is a racist term (due to historical usage) for the original peoples of Australia. I've never heard of it being used for anyone outside Australia.
The etymology or aboriginal is basically "comes from away"; kind of Eurocentric. Indigenous means "comes from within a place" etymologically so while it is kind of semantic it's obvious which one is the better choice. Many indigenous people however prefer 'Indian' because it's how First Nations people are referred to in the Indian Act.
"Aborigine" is not "comes from away". I don't know where you're getting your etymology from, but it comes from the Latin "ab origine" which means "from the source" or, in context, you know, THE ORIGINALS. (First used, incidentally, to refer to the people living in what is now Italy before the Romans took it all over.)
Aboriginal is "ab origio", literally "from/since the origin/beginning". Already the Romans used it in the sense of "there from the very beginning".
Indigenious is "indu gignere", "begot within". The "place" part is implicit. More of a "native" thing as in "natively born American" but the meaning shifted from the original Latin.
Practically, nowadays, they're synonymous. Over here we use "autochthon", literally "self earth/soil". Also used in geology and biology. The constitution speaks about "national minorities and ethnic groups", going by the last recent arrivals 600 years of living here as an ethnic group suffices for autochthone minority status. Though in our case there's no settler-colonials which of course changes the equation.
Uh, no, many of us prefer to be called by the nation we belong to. Some of the younger ones would be really offended at being called Indian, especially by white people. Indigenous, First Nations, and native are fine - better than Indian at least.
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Canada has always watched everything their southern neighbor did to the native people and said "that's a great start, now hold my beer"
Native & Canadian, not a history expert but my understanding is that on avg the US government was much more violent and aggressive with their colonization than Canada, even if Canada was pretty fucked too
It’s probably that the USA has committed so many atrocities that some get lost in all the chaos. Canada has done fewer atrocities, so they’re just kinda upfront & plainly visible. That’s my hunch at least.
Last I checked, half of Canadians were Christian, and more than half of those are Roman Catholic. This particular flavor of Christianity was very, very dominant in Canada. The US has a lot more denominations. Maybe that has something to do? We basically have "the Church", they had many to "dilute" the abjectness?
Serious question: what actually is the value of hard work?
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It is a concept that supposedly is needed in order for us to succeed. As a concept, it is used to bury the fact that many of our “successful” citizens (read rich) actually inherited their monies or “knew someone”. It is also used to explain poverty…. That is, if you are not successful, it is your own fault because you did not work hard enough.Basically victim blaming and on the flip side of the coin pretending that the presence of wealth proves that they deserve what they own.
It's not victim blaming to say something is your fault for choosing the wrong parents to be born to! Sheesh!
A ruined body probably
It was common for european colonizers to say this about indigenous people, basically meaning that they don't participate in the world economy. Or, said another way, they're not being exploited for profits by said european colonizers, which is obviously bad.
Your hard work makes rich people richer.
It all ties in that neoliberal belief that pure meritocracy is real and desirable.
Explain pierre and meritocracy? You will never ever make me believe his rise to leader of the conservative party was due to merit…
Re-read my comment, you may have misinterpreted me 👍
You're looking at it backwards, he's the head of the party so he must have worked very hard.
It's Calvinism.
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To people like him, it’s valuable for people to get used to being submissive, learn the futility of questioning authority, and earn just enough to shut up and not be a “financial burden” on the country.
I knew it as the opposite of lazy. it did not mean you were overworked, just that you were self motivated. But I think that terminooogy has changed a lot with corporate expectationa
They mean the willingness to work.
And that fucking clown is obviously a racist, just ignore him.
June, 2008? Wtf man he’s had lots of time to grow up and change his views. Look at him. He’s a baby.
But anyway, I hope he doesn’t become PM regardless. He still seems like a shit.
he’s had lots of time to grow up and change his views.
Okay, this can easily be resolved by him expressing his changed views.
Expressing and demonstrating that his views have changed for the better.
DeSantis of the north. Good to see you in the Lemmys, Ulrich 🖖
Thank you. It is a sentiment not shared by all. :)
It's also ridiculous that there is an idea among the white ruling class that Indigenous peoples merely need financial compensation for genocide. How do you compensate for that? They need decolonisation, namely ending of discrimination, recognition of their rights and sovereignty as Indigenous peoples, and work to repair the long-lasting damage that was done, such as the massive issues with mental health, addiction, crime and abuse within Indigenous communities that arose as a direct result of residential schools. Things that require deep rooted changes to society and will take generations, not just an apology and some hush money before never bringing it up again.
Here is the non-AMP version of the link from OP's submission:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/conservative-mp-apologizes-for-hurtful-comments-on-aboriginal-people-1.712106You don't even need to go that far, just chopping out the amp part works: https://www.cbc.ca/1.712106
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The full link is better, but it's much easier to just chop up the link you have.
