"If you dont own factories you dont benefit from the system, you should not defend it"
"Oh okay, so you have completely isolated yourself from the system then?"
No, that's not the point, the point is to end the exploitation, not escape it, which is always a fanciful idea as you cannot escape the indirect effects of it. Also do you think almost anyone is capable of doing the things you mentioned? You'd have to be really wealthy to do those things.
You used the wrong quote from yourself. What you quoted from me was a reaction to this gem of a statement:
If you support capitalism and you’re not a capitalist you’re just a bootlicker.
which is black and white, and typical of us-good versus them-bad argument fallacies. If you live and participate in a capitalist system, as the vast majority of humanity does, you are, to some degree, supporting it.
Based on the comments in this thread I take your position to be it's a matter of degree of support. Owning a truck isn't capital, it's apparently got to be a lot to make someone a capitalist. That is not leftist or anti-capitalist, but simply "eat the rich". Most people exist in classes that participate in ways that keep the lower earners below. I do not believe most humans think this great system for all but feel helpless, and participate as a way to simply exist.
Surely spreading insulting, erudite rhetoric in online is not the solution.
Owning a truck isn’t capital, it’s apparently got to be a lot to make someone a capitalist.
Owning a truck for personal transportation is literally personal property, not private property. Can you give me a quick definition according to Marxists of personal and private property?
Because you speak as if you're qualified to define leftist:
That is not leftist or anti-capitalist, but simply “eat the rich”.
I do not believe most humans think this great system for all but feel helpless,
Can you give me a quick definition according to Marxists of personal and private property?
It is possible, but not worth it.
That is capitalist realism for you.
That is realism. Which is usually quite valuable if you want to change a system.
You seem hell bent on apply the label capitalist as an epithet on just about everyone you respond to. Can you quickly tell us what you think it will accomplish?
Okay, so no, you don't. And you're more interested in coming off as knowledgeable than learning (because you could just look it up in 5 seconds and give a definition), which is cowardly behavior.
That is realism. Which is usually quite valuable if you want to change a system.
Capitalist realism isn't realism, it is specifically referring to the "end of history" narrative
You seem hell bent on apply the label capitalist as an epithet on just about everyone you respond to. Can you quickly tell us what you think it will accomplish?
I'm using preciae language that would be understandable if you knew the first thing about socialism, which you claim to.
"If you dont own factories you dont benefit from the system, you should not defend it"
"Oh okay, so you have completely isolated yourself from the system then?"
No, that's not the point, the point is to end the exploitation, not escape it, which is always a fanciful idea as you cannot escape the indirect effects of it. Also do you think almost anyone is capable of doing the things you mentioned? You'd have to be really wealthy to do those things.
You used the wrong quote from yourself. What you quoted from me was a reaction to this gem of a statement:
which is black and white, and typical of us-good versus them-bad argument fallacies. If you live and participate in a capitalist system, as the vast majority of humanity does, you are, to some degree, supporting it.
Based on the comments in this thread I take your position to be it's a matter of degree of support. Owning a truck isn't capital, it's apparently got to be a lot to make someone a capitalist. That is not leftist or anti-capitalist, but simply "eat the rich". Most people exist in classes that participate in ways that keep the lower earners below. I do not believe most humans think this great system for all but feel helpless, and participate as a way to simply exist.
Surely spreading insulting, erudite rhetoric in online is not the solution.
Owning a truck for personal transportation is literally personal property, not private property. Can you give me a quick definition according to Marxists of personal and private property?
Because you speak as if you're qualified to define leftist:
That is capitalist realism for you.
It is possible, but not worth it.
That is realism. Which is usually quite valuable if you want to change a system.
You seem hell bent on apply the label capitalist as an epithet on just about everyone you respond to. Can you quickly tell us what you think it will accomplish?
Okay, so no, you don't. And you're more interested in coming off as knowledgeable than learning (because you could just look it up in 5 seconds and give a definition), which is cowardly behavior.
Capitalist realism isn't realism, it is specifically referring to the "end of history" narrative
I'm using preciae language that would be understandable if you knew the first thing about socialism, which you claim to.
It is cowardly behaviour to refuse to look something up that “takes 5 seconds” because you wanted me too?
Nowhere was capitalism equated to realism in my posts. That does make any sense. Why would you write that?
You claim I do not understand precise language, and therefore do not know the first thing about socialism. That also makes no sense.
These are non-sequitors.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_Realism
I am referring to the specific concept talked about in this book, which most socialists are aware of.
When someone tells you a way they are using language and then you insist on holding onto your misinterpretation it is silly.
Skim the link and discover why capitalist realism is different from realism.